Wlad is not a top 20 HW, he has never beaten anyone of significance

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  1. The Mongoose

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    Yes, Holmes activity and sheer number of defenses will always help his standing significantly.

    But who knows, there was a time people would laugh at you for picking Holmes as a top 5 Heavyweight. Now, its fairly accepted.

    It will be very interesting to see how Wlad's standing grows or lessens over the years. I never thought I would see the day when Lennox Lewis would be considered an all time great...my, has that changed, and the Vitali fight I think played a huge role in that.
     
  2. Nay_Sayer

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    We'll see...
     
  3. The_President

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    Here is what a Melanin test shows of the "average" skin type of the New Kingdom Egyptian as attested by German Albinos.

    A-M Mekota1, M Vermehren
    Department of Biology I, Biodiversity Research/Anthropology1and Department of Veterinary Anatomy II2,
    Ludwig-Maximilians University Munich, Germany
    Submitted January 8, 2002; revised May 4, 2004; accepted August 12, 2004

    Abstract
    During an excavation headed by the German Institute for Archaeology, Cairo, at the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt, three types of tissues from different mummies were sampled to compare 13 well known rehydration methods for mummified tissue with three newly developed methods. Furthermore, three fixatives were tested with each of the rehydration fluids.
    Meniscus (fibrocartilage), skin, and a placenta were used for this study. The rehydration and fixation procedures were uniform for all methods.

    Materials and methods
    In 1997, the German Institute for Archaeology headed an excavation of the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt. At this time, three types of tissues were sampled from different mummies: meniscus (fibrocartilage), skin, and placenta. Archaeological findings suggest that the mummies dated from the New Kingdom (approximately 1550-1080 BC).

    Skin
    Skin sections showed particularly good tissue
    preservation, although cellular outlines were never distinct. Although much of the epidermis had already separated from the dermis, the remaining epidermis often was preserved well (Fig. 1).

    The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin.
    In the dermis, the hair follicles, hair, and sebaceous and sweat glands were readily apparent (Fig. 2). Blood vessels, but no red blood cells, and small peripheral nerves were identified unambiguously (Fig. 3). The subcutaneous layer showed loose connective tissue fibers attached to the dermis, and fat cell remnants were observed.
    To evaluate the influence of postmortum tissue decay by micro-organisms, the samples were tested for the presence of fungi using silver staining.

    Interestingly, this test conducted on New Kingdom citizens is consistent with the earlier melanin tests performed by Dr. Diop's Melanin tests on Old Kingdom mummies. Both shared the same description...
    The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin.
    Go figure, Negroids in Africa.
     
  4. Nay_Sayer

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    I think we can finally put the issue to rest.

    Ancient Egypt = Black Africa
     
  5. lufcrazy

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    Wlad klitschko is a direct descendant of king tut so it's logical to conclude ancient egypt = white africa.
     
  6. The_President

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    That would be, an ALBINO African :yep
     
  7. The Mongoose

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    Yout can't even prove a guy named "Tut" is black....

    As you also note, skin color today in North Africa can range from much lighter than what they chose to much darker. And we don't know how well today's range matches that of the past, although I suspect there was also a range of variation in the past, as is normal for any biological population. Michael's reconstruction did not include an inference of skin color (or eye color), the French team's did and their inference was, I understand, based on a 'average' skin tone for Egypt today. I don't know the specifics of how they did that. I think,however, it would have been as accurate to have had the same facial reconstruction with either a lighter tone or a darker tone to the skin.That said, skin and eye color will always be an inference.
    I hope that helps explain.

    Susan Susan C. Antón


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  8. The Mongoose

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    So in the end...

    Wlad is still going to be in top 20 lists

    and

    The race of ancient Egypt remains inconclusive...

    And no matter how many links he posts, how many names he calls people, how many hissy fits he throws, Nay Sayer can't change any of this and it seems to be driving him insane. .

    :hi:

    Let this ****er die.
     
  9. Nay_Sayer

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    Inconclusive only for people with room temperature IQs.

    There is a mountain of evidence that says Ancient Egypt = Black Africa.

    You, OTOH, have nothing other than a quote taken out of context.

    Still butt hurt from your head being so far up your ass?
     
  10. The Mongoose

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    So you are insulting Anton again? Wow. Again the weak insults when pushed into a corner. Though you have not earned my respect, I'm being very respectful towards you.


    This took out of context? Really? What else does she mean?

    it would have been as accurate to have had the same facial reconstruction with either a lighter tone or a darker tone to the skin
     
  11. Nay_Sayer

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    And the *very* next sentence says;

    That said, skin and eye color will always be an inference.

    But wait a minute, the good doctor has other interesting things to say;

    I did the biological profile (assessment of age at death,
    sex and ancestry), Michael made the actual reconstruction. Based on
    the physical characters of the skull, I concluded that this was the skull
    of a male older than 15 but less than 21, and likely in the 18-20 year
    range and of African ancestry, possibly north african.

    Tut's head was a bit of a conundrum, but, as you note, there is a huge range
    of variation in modern humans from any area, so for me the skull overall,
    including aspects of the face, spoke fairly strongly of his African origins

    Get a clue, Genius.

    Ancient Egypt = Black Africa
     
  12. The Mongoose

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    -That does not negate her previous sentence or in any way contradicts it. It also puts you in deeper hole as you are the one trying to prove "race and skin color."

    -Yes, and she was absolutely correct as the skull turend out to belong to a young male North African. I'm sure you also know Susan refused to assign the skull a race.

    From the man who wrote her that email:

    "Anton refused, however, to assign a specific racial designation to the specimen, citing inherent problems with the concept of race."

    You tried and failed to contradict her words, now you are trying to spin them. Ultimately, you are just trying to get the last word in as if it will win you the argument. I'm not going to play that game, I humored you with my audience once more..you called me names, showed no class, and again produced nothing. But go ahead, get the last word in.
     
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    In a follow up email the good doctor had this to say;
    Like I said, Ancient Egypt = Black Africa
     
  14. The Mongoose

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    Nothing she didn't already go into more detail about in the other emails and previous press statements.

    - I actually didn't choose the term "North African Caucasoid" .... I personally don't find that term(Caucasoid) all that useful and so I don't use it.


    -The team refused, however, to assign a specific racial designation to the specimen, citing inherent problems with the concept of race.

    -it would have been as accurate to have had the same facial
    reconstruction with either a lighter tone or a darker tone to the skin.

    -Anton said that the race of the Tutankhamun skull was “hard to call”.

    Our expert doesn't seem so sure and isn't willing to make that same leap of faith. Just wanted to make it clear that you are formulating your own opinion based off how you view the available evidence. No matter how many times you post that, you can't put those words in Anton's mouth and make them fact. That is all.
     
  15. Nay_Sayer

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    -Antón stated she was "in general agreement that, based on the cranial skeleton, an estimate of African is appropriate.

    Do you know what the above statement is saying, Genius?