Wlad is on path to do something only a 80s Mike Tyson did

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I understand we have a flock of Wlad threads lately...but we have out first Ring Magazine Lineal Champ in 6 years so Bare with me this week lol....

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=20225&more=1

    Checkout the above article....Wlad wants to unify the title ONCE AGAIN against WBA champion Nicolay Valuev...THIS IS AWESOME! this is greatness right here! Wlad is trying to do something only Mike Tyson has done in the past 20 years....and thats start off with one belt(IBF)....Then Unify the 2 other major belts and Ring Magazine belt ONE AT A TIME(Tyson did it against IBF Tucker WBC Berbick WBA Bonecrusher and RING Spinks).....Wlad has already done it against(IBF Byrd WBO Sultan RING Chagaev and now WBA Valuev)...whether or not the competition is all that good, the fact he is unifying all these titles is something this division has needed for years!!!

    I find a champion unifying the titles one of the most noble and accomplishing thing in a title reign. it scores huge points for me..What it does it eliminates these alphabet soup bull**** titles and brings back the old school ONE MAN ONE TITLE concept....Wlad is doing that right now picking up each belt INDIVIDUALLY, something only mike tyson has done...Even the great Larry Holmes never unified one belt in a 7 year reign.


    I am sure after Wlad unfies this title with Valuev...He will then once again go after the potvekins and hayes who both bailed on him last time. Remember every title defense from his is a LINEAR title defense, so the big belt is on the line and that means his legacy is on the line from here.
     
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  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Agreed with the spirit of your post, but just to play devil's advocate, isn't Wlad going to inevitably fall short of the mark unless Vitali loses?

    At the time Tyson unified, the WBO did not exist. If memory serves, it was actually created during his reign as champion and won by Damiani.

    Regardless, if Wlad never wins the WBC belt, then he still falls shy of achieving what Tyson achieved, no?
     
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  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Your 100% right...but today the WBO seems to hold just as much weight as the other belts unlike when it first popped up in the early 90s. Wlad certainly has a good exuse as to why not capture the WBC belt, but if vitali loses it...you can certainly expect wlad to go after it right away.


    Tyson Unified 4 major belts IBF WBA WBC and RING and now Wlad is about to unify 4 major belts IBF WBO RING and WBA. I guess you could say tyson has the edge, but then again WBO today is considered to have just as much weight as the other 3 sanctions unlike the past.
     
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  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Fair enough.
    :good

    Personally, I would rather see Wlad face Haye, but if that were not to happen, a bout with Valuev certainly has an element of intrigue.
     
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  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It will only happen if Valuev does a Flod Patterson and takes the fight against the wishes of his promotors.
     
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  6. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Exactly. I agree with SQ's original post, but Valuev has already shown to have no interest in fighting Wlad whatsoever. And since his promoter is Don King and Sauerland, both of whom are holding their last card at heavyweight in Valuev, it's very likely they'll match him up with a Monte Barret rematch or something.


    There is one positive side to this, though. With Chagaev decisively beaten and Valuev's non-showing against an ancient AND crowd favorite Holyfield, he has little market-value left. There is a chance that they decide to take the Wlad payday while they still can. I certainly hope so.


    As for the WBO, with all the WBA bull**** in the last years, i'm not so sure if they're any "less".
     
    ChrisPontius, Jun 22, 2009
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  7. godking

    godking Active Member Full Member

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    There is a difference Tyson unified every legit belt within 2 years from starting his carreer Wlad is now on PARTIALLY unifying the belt.
     
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  8. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There not talking about the SPEED that Tyson did.

    Tyson didnt need to deal with the BS Wlad is putting up today.

    Fighting guys with belts NOT on the line, Don King holding onto his last strap, and doing his best in keeping it.

    Tyson had King, hench the reason why the speedy title fights one right after the other, Wlad is going against King the poltics, so you cant relly compare the two imo.
     
    Dempsey1238, Jun 22, 2009
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  9. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here's the thing. Most people don't take into account outside circumstances when evaluating greatness.

    If Joe Louis rejected Jimmy Braddock's financial terms and decided that he was going to go against the politics you can be certain that his ranking will drop in history if it meant that he had far fewer title defenses or he was simply denied a title until he got older and more beatable.

    Tyson unified the belts by beating the alpha champs and the alpha champs before the the alpha champs. Wlad is slowing but surely doing it. But he's not there yet.
     
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  10. kolcade4

    kolcade4 Keep Punchin' Full Member

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    the klitdumbass bros need to fight each other and then we will find out which one these guys deserves an all time thread.
     
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  11. MrSmall

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    no, he isn't, he would have done it by now.
     
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  12. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lennox unified WBC (McCall), IBF (Holy), WBA (Holy) belts plus the Ring/Linear (Briggs), plus reinging WBO titlist (Akiwande).
     
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  13. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And that itself took nearly 7 years.

    5 years from Tyson Holyfiled I to Lewis Holyfiled II, plus the draw. Even Lewis had to battle the BS, which is why it takes longer to unify the belts.
     
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  14. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As I said, Tyson had King, thus he was able to get the Smiths, Berbicks, and Spinks in the ring at a very fast pace.
    Your right, perhaps Louis might have been rank lower, but that ten percent of evey fight for the next ten years is a rip off for Louis imo.
    I respect Wlad for whats he trying to do, and if he does not have a Don King backing him, This will take years to do. Not there yet, but I at the movement consider Wlad the true WBA champ lol.
     
    Dempsey1238, Jun 22, 2009
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  15. BritInvasion

    BritInvasion keepin on keepin on Full Member

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    Does everyone really consider Wlad lineal? I'm not so sure that its cut and dried? I think the gulf between #1&2 to #3 is too big (this was apparent before the weekend's fight) to consider this #1v#3 bout a lineal contest? I know its not Wlad's fault his older bro is the #2 guy (and sorry SQ VitKlit is #1 for some people), but y'know, it is what it is. There is a guy who can legitimately claim to be the best HW in the world who did not fight on Saturday. Surely that undermines Wlad's lineal claim?
     
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