Wlad is Ring Magazine Champion. Is he Lineal Champion too?

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  1. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The only way a Wlad Klitschko perks up the interest of the first world of boxing is by either fighting his brother: the freak show option; where you feel comfortable, because you would never resort to that yourself.

    Or an American comes along who looks awesome: the comfort option; where you feel comfortable because the big bad Soviet (actually Ukrainian) will lose.
     
  2. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes; when Vlad walks into the bar, instead of screaming: I can lick any son of a ***** in the house; he coldly states to anyone giving him eye contact: I vill break you!
     
  3. barneyrub

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    So to be the best you have to beat the number 3 guy and get a free pass to duck the number 2 guy who happens to have a title, also had the ring title and never lost it! If you all believed that Vitali was the Ring and therefore also Lineal champ before he retired then now that he is back he must still be lineal champ, he wasnt beaten!

    But being The champ means youve proved to be the best by beating the best. Wlad isnt doing that and so far isnt undisputed champ or lineal.

    Vitali still has the stronger lineage as champion.

    Vitali actuallty fought the last champ, in Lewis`s last fight. The same people that call Wlad lineal say that Vitali beat Lewis! Therefore Vitali would be the legit lineal! He was Ring and people called him lineal!
    Wlads never fought THE champ, win or lose!

    But apart from that, Vitali fought for Lewis`s vacant title against Sanders [who was WBO champ]. Sanders had beaten Wladimir in his last fight and Vitali then beat Sanders. Vitali holds the lineage of victory over Wladimir through Wlads unavenged loss to Sanders. Vitali won Lewis`s retired belt and in reality the WBO belt since Sanders was only stripped of it for fighting for the WBC belt!

    Vitali gained the Ring belt also which he never lost and the same people that are calling Wlad lineal for holding it called Vitali lineal. He retired without losing his championship so surely retains the linealality. When he returned from retirement he beat the holder of his WBC belt to clear up any claim to that status.

    Wlad gained his IBF belt from Byrd! Byrds claim to that belt was beating an undeserving 42 year old Holyfield for a VACANT paper title at the time that Lewis was THE CHAMPION, that belt did not make Byrd champion. Lewis was. Wlad also gained the paper and VACANT IBO title in this fight! All Wlads belts were Vacant titles with no lineage behind them greater than Vitali`s.

    The WBO belt Wlad holds was won off Ibragimov in the worst fight in history, Ibragimov won the belt from a line that goes back to a VACANT championship fight for it which Wlad lost to Brewster after it was stripped from the holder, Sanders who ko`d Wlad for the WBO belt and then lost that lineage to Vitali.

    THERFORE WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT THE LINEAGE OF CHAMPIONSHIPS RUN STRONGER THROUGH TO VITALI KLITSCHKO.

    To summerise, Vitali holds this over Wlad,

    Lewis`s retired title, WBC.
    He never lost the Ring title.
    Lineage of victory over Wlad.
    Lineage of WBO title.
    Plus Emiritus title!

    Who really thinks Wlad would beat Vitali?

    The current line of the WBA title is also meaningless, while Lewis was champ Ruiz won a vacant championship, despite losing it to Jones directly before that. That went to Valuev to Chagaev then partly back to Valuev! But did anyone consider Ruiz champ when he held it? The WBA belt was previously discredited when Don King had it taken from Lewis due to a contract clause in the Holyfield Lewis contract. Lewis stll held the true lineage.

    When Lewis retired Vitali and Wlads conqueror Sanders fought for Lewis`s vacant title and true champ status, the other paper lineages that had been passing belts around were not ranked as worthy and all the Klit fans hailed Vitali as THE champ, he is back and undefeated, Wla dhas to beat him or he must retire. He cant duck the next best fighter in the division and claim to be THE man and start a new lineage.
     
  4. barneyrub

    barneyrub Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, Peter hadnt yet won the WBC belt when he fought Wlad so that argument doesnt wash. By your logic Ross Purrity has a claim to the title because he beat Wlad, even though Wlad didnt yet hold the title!!!!! Anyway, Vitali never lost that belt and was even still WBC champion Emeritus before coming back and reclaiming full ownership of the belt he hadnt lost to be once again the Undisputed WBC champion. If he was Ring and Lineal then he must still be now too!

    Tyson won all 3 belts but wasnt yet considered the true undisputed champion until he beat Lineal champion Spinks. He also beat Holmes which in some eyes was the fight in which he became champ due to a widespread opinion that Holmes had been robbed in his fight with Spinks.

    Wlads never fought a legit champ and never fought the lineal champ, Lewis was lineal from 1998 when he beat Briggs, but until he became Undisputed in 1999 he wasnt regarded as THE champ. Its a complicated business.
     
  5. kmcc505

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    Yes, Wlad is the man.