Wlad is too stiff and one dimensional to beat a prime Tyson.

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  1. Fan88

    Fan88 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ah, but you forget that Chagaev is "White Tyson."
     
  2. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    Wlad would not use the 1-2, nor would he use the jab to keep Tyson off. Wlad would try to keep Tyson honest with the jab but L-hook when he tries to come in, knock him off balance enough to avoid the punch and clinch. Wlad might not bend at the waste much but he has very good reflexes and a long step-back that would result in a lot of misses and clinches.
    Wlad would not attempt to engage Mike but instead box him on the outside looking for opportunities to counter until Tyson wears down physically or mentally.

    I don't know how long Wlad could keep this up, maybe 6 rounds maybe 12 but I think he stands a solid chance to pull off the UD. Lets just say Douglas had to have the fight of his life, Wlad would just need to bring his A+ game (not easy but within the realm of possibility).
     
  3. Jersey Joe

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    Prime Tyson was like Dempsey or Frazier but with even more power, he was an expert at getting in whilst avoiding damage, then opening up with devastating combinations on the inside. His vicious uppercuts and short ripping hooks are tailor made for brutalizing a tall, stiff, upright fighter like Wlad.

    Later Tyson was fairly immobile and didn't use his jab much on the way in, more of a one-punch banger, this version would lose embarrassingly. But Tyson at his peak would eat Wlad and his children.

    P.S. while Wlad would lose prime for prime, it's silly to call him "one-dimensional". He has a very nice left hook in addition to his excellent 1-2, and he sets up his right hand well with multiple jabs and feints. If he was that one-dimensional then he wouldn't land it as often as he does.
     
  4. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    For me this is actually the key, prime Tyson used his jab on the way in and did it extremal well, underrated by most I feel. But there's Wlad who controls distance and would be looking to counter, in this instance he would jab over Tyson's jab ending any forward progress and probably follow it with the cross. I think taking away prime Tyson's jab would seriously hamper his ability to do anything meaningful.
     
  5. Jersey Joe

    Jersey Joe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That Tyson couldn't KO Mitch Green, James Tillis, or Bonecrusher Smith, so I think it's a safe bet that a good chunk of the top ATG HWs would take the fight the full 12 rounds.

    Tyson of that era was a deadly fighter, but you are exaggerating ridiculously.
     
  6. Jersey Joe

    Jersey Joe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well I think Tyson was well-versed in dodging jabs, he had great head movement and hand footwork which made him elusive on the way in. It is also not easy for a 6'6 guy to pick off a 5'10 fighter who is mobile and skilled in defence. I think Wlad will *try* to pick him off coming in. But I don't think he'll have much success against a guy who moves like this:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXJ0G-XFwhc[/ame]
     
  7. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I respect Wlad, but a Prime Tyson would destroy him, especially given Wlad's nerve issues. Think Frank Bruno.
     
  8. Little Pea

    Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan Full Member

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    Dear expert,

    Thank you.
     
  9. Little Pea

    Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan Full Member

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    WLAD == Bruno :tired
     
  10. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    Read my earlier post just above.
    I wish I could watch this to comment specifically but firewall..eh.
    Wlad would not use his jab but his foot-movement and L-hook to avoid Tyson, knock him off balance and hug. It might buy him a few rounds to figure out what to do, it might not. I wonder though when I think back to the Peter fight, what's he going to do when he gets charged and runs out of room to retreat to...
     
  11. mr. piff

    mr. piff The Ring General Full Member

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    this:deal
     
  12. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have watched both mens careers very closely. That being said, Tyson gets him out in under 3 rounds. Anyone that has watched Wlad closely, can easily pick-up on one thing. He looks very uncomfortable when his oppenent is on the attack and is aggressive (Brewster, Peter, Sanders), they all made him panic and start to fall apart at the seams. Tyson was a whole nother animal back in 86-88, his combination of power, aggression, and speed makes him a legend of the ring.

    Wlad has the height, skill set, and overall size to give Tyson trouble. Though his chin and mental toughness would show through quite quickly against a fighter like Tyson. Vitali would have a much better chance of weathering the Tyson storm, he's much tougher and more solid than Wlad.
     
  13. rapidfire

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    Unlike Wlad they could take a punch.
     
  14. Above Deck

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    A prime Tyson does as he pleases with Wlad, KO early rounds if he wants.

    Vitali wouldve stood more a chance as his chin is better.

    A prime Tyson wouldve go through todays heavyweights with one arm.
     
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    When someone has an avatar that features the severed head of one of the fighters being discussed, they have no credibility.

    Fly your colours and enjoy the respect that ******s give you for doing so. However, don't expect credibility.