Wlad Klitchko vs Lennox Lewis?

Exactly. Lewis really does think the majority of fans are as dumb as him.

 

Thank you! Great arguments! The same should be said about Wlad aswell...

I agree, on your points despite clinches - That's Wlad's territory. He's faster and stronger than Lewis. Lewis reach would be a problem for Wlad but not as much like it were to "no guard, lean back" Vitali who other than that made a very successful career out of his size, reactions and chin.

The differences is Wlads superior jab. 1 inch wont be enough to change it.

Lewis would need to take risks in order to beat Klitschko. I'll give 60-40 Klitschko.

 

If you compare prime Lewis vs Briggs and prime WK vs Chagaev you see why WK wins. WK was technically superior and the smarter fighter. He never took one punch from Chagaev while Lewis was rocked badly twice by Briggs, mainly because his technique was sloppy.

 

Good post! I think prime Wlad's hand speed would be Lewis' undoing. He used to shoot that lead left hook out of nowhere and brutalize guys with it. See the Mercer fight when he dropped him with it.

 

Lennox is dumb ???? ROFL
In Lennox last fight he destroyed Vitali's face TKO-6. He retired to Live a Happy Healthy Wealthy Life with his gorgeous wife & family in his fantastic home in Jamaica.
Wlad lost his last two fights one a total embarrassment against Fury. The last a brutal KO against Joshua
And you say Lennox is dumb ??????

 

You're a very, very weird dude.

 

I find it difficult to imagine a worse opponent for Wlad than Lewis.

 

Coming from you that's a compliment lol

 

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"Brutal KO against Joshua"?? YOU are also dumb. Lol Not just your boy Lennox A KO is what happened to Lewis TWICE. One hitter quitters against two average heavyweights Wlad was never KOed against Joshua dumb dumb. Lol He finished on his feet and lost by TKO after a back and forth FOTY battle against a roided up champion 13 years his junior. At least Wlad had the balls to actually finish his career LEGITIMATELY passing the torch and not leaving behind unfinished business like your hero

"Bu.. Bu.. But Vitali's face, doe!!"

That's ALL you turds have! Lol

At least Wlad didn't leave the sport shortly after getting completely obliterated like Kirk Johnson

 

A Prime Vlad would have knocked Lewis and Joshua out, hell, an old Vlad almost knocked Joshua out and would have if he would have thrown a few body punches when he had Joshua on the ropes drunk! The rematch would have been 50/50 Vlad would have done much better...........but he did not need the money, he and Vitali are rich as hell, they have money to burn!

 

I was just giving my pennies worth but ok.

Firstly Wlad is not stronger than Lennox. I don't know why you'd think that.
As for speed that's negligible too. But that's another debate that I won't waste space with here. Just your main points.

You say the clinch is Wlad's game yes it is, but you must forget it was also a major part of Lewis' game under Steward. The difference is Lewis doesn't just nullify and lean in the clinch, he can and will do damage there too, and rough you up OR even knock you out. Wlad does nothing here other than nullify. But he's not nullifying or outstrengthing Lewis, those nasty hooks and uppercuts on the inside will be all he can handle.

As for jab and reach. You seem to have assumed I mentioned Lewis longer wingspan (which is 3-4 inches longer btw not 1) because of who would win the jab battle. I made the point because when Wlad realizes Lewis can touch him just as easily, if not more easily than he can touch Lewis, he will lose confidence, which will lead to panic (it's in his make up), which would lead to his downfall.
Last time Wlad faced a man with a longer reach than him (Fury) his offence was non-existent. Lewis and Fury are 2 different fighters obviously but the point remains.

Wlad is big with power so Lewis would fight this fight aggressively as his history has proven. So there's ya risk taking answered.
Not his fault but Wlad never fought a fighter of Lewis level especially not an aggressive minded peak Lewis.

Like has been said in this thread already, Lewis is all wrong for Wlad, he couldn't be more wrong.
95-5% Lewis lol

 

LOL.
Slow , plodding, unhealthy Chaggy is not comparable in any way to lighting quick Briggs.

And didn't that fight happen after Chagg was deemed medically unfit to rematch Valaeuv?? Trust Wladdy to step in and face damaged goods once again . To make matters worse he was only given 3 weeks to prepare for the change of opponent.

Friday 29 May 2009 23.21 BST

The much-anticipated rematch between WBA heavyweight champion Nikolai Valuev and Ruslan Chagaev has been called off after Chagaev was unable to fulfil medical requirements ahead of the bout.

The clash between Valuev and 'champion in recess' Chagaev, scheduled for tomorrow in Helsinki, was set to be the first heavyweight title fight staged on Finnish soil.

Plus , at least Lewis fought a PRIME Shannon Briggs. Wlad shamefully pulled out of his arranged fight against a PAST PRIME Briggs in NYC and fought bum Calvin Brock instead. The gap in levels between these two is night and day.

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That's a rather simplistic view, if a fight was decided on technique alone Wlad wouldn't of lost to Fury, Joshua, Sanders, Brewster or Puritty, he had better technique than all of them.

Fact is both have a punchers chance, all this talk of chin is pointless, neither had a granite jaw and both are 2 of the hardest punchers the division has seen, whoever hits harder is meaningless as either has the power to KO the other with 1 good punch.

We all know Wlad's style, he's predominantly a jab and grabber, some will say his clinching could shut down Lewis' superior inside game but I doubt that. Firstly Lewis knew how to clinch just as well as Wlad, he was taught by the same man on how to do it, he just didn't rely on it as much as Wlad. Also Wlad doesn't really clinch much against tall fighters. Tall fighters don't close the space like the smaller men and take the fight to a range where Wlad is uncomfortable and is forced to clinch.

Wlad's best chance to win was to do what he usually does, get off first and use his jab to outbox Lewis. Even the biggest Klittard isn't going to think Wlad has anything more than a small punchers chance by taking the fight to Lewis who was better in mid to close range. He has to out box Lewis to win, question is can he do that?

He hes the jab and speed to possibly win on the outside, we've seen Lewis out jabbed before, if that's where the fight is fought. But it's no certainty as Lewis does have a 3 inch reach advantage not the 1 inch some have suggested in this thread. Lewis has a better jab than anyone Wlad has ever fought.

But's lets imagine that Wlad can win on the outside, what happens then? Lewis as mentioned before has been out jabbed or matched with the jab before and when that happened with Bruno, Mercer and Vitali Lewis always responded one way and that's to take the fight to his opponent and KO them.

What does Wlad do to prevent a man similar in size getting inside and wrecking him in close? Fact is his movement isn't even good enough to avoid aggressive smaller men like Povetkin, the reason why he clinches smaller aggressive men is because he can't get out of the way, against a bigger man who doesn't have to get as close to land like in the Joshua fight he'll struggle and be forced to clinch as we have seen every time.

As mentioned before Wlad doesn't clinch big men, he's never had too against guys like Wach, Thompson, Williamson etc as they fought mainly from range. But when the one time a big man took it too him he got dropped and hurt by Joshua. Joshua shrugged off Wlad's attempts at clinching with ease, Wlad wasn't trying to clinch a smaller man he had 20-30lbs on he was trying to clinch a big man similar in size like Lewis and couldn't effectively clinch. We saw Lewis shrug off Vitali's attempts to clinch and land shot like that uppercut, I'm sure he could replicate what Joshua did.

And that's why I favour Lewis. Wlad is undoubtedly dangerous and has a punchers chance, but Lewis' variety means he had more ways to win. He has a clear style advantage. Only way Lewis loses is if he gets caught with a lucky punch or if he chooses to box with Wlad and not do what he he always did when out jabbed. Creating a scenario where Wlad wins means either luck or Lewis fighting differently which seems too far fetched to be feasible.

I suspect the fight will be similar to the Briggs fight. Lewis goes in thinking he can just walk threw Wlad, Wlad quickly shows him it wont be that easy and wins the early rounds, Lewis changes it up and adapts and takes the fight to Wlad, Wlad has no answer for Lewis' aggression and is KO'ed.

 

The delusions of Klitschko fans never ceases to amaze me, they somehow think Wlad getting flattened 3 times in his last fight (not to mention losing another 4 times to bums) leaves a better leaving legacy than Lewis stopping his last fight by smashing his brother's face to pieces to and hospitalising him.... when he was past his prime!

They will spin it anyway they can. "He passed the torch on" they will claim.

Heard it all now. Can they even hear how ridiculous they sound?

Even on the eye test, Wladbot fails, not surprising when he models himself on Ivan Drago. Surprised he didn't hire Bridget Nielson to accompany him to the ring.

These guys are worse than McGregor fans. Most deluded fans on the entire planet.

Wlad beating Lewis? Please. Stick to watching Rocky movies.