Wlad Klitschko being called an all-time great is an insult

Frazier KO'd Ali, you sure Wlad wouldn't? more reach, MUCH STRONGER and pretty fast too. David Haye weighed the same as Ali and he was just too small. Haye was pretty skilled but i would argue more dangerous than Ali as he has power, something Ali didn't have much of. Remember, Wlad's weakness is chin... but without pop, what can you do?

I think Tyson would have a better shot than Ali, one punch from Mike, Wlad prob goes down. It would be hard for Mike to get that punch in but prime Mike was fast. I just don't see ali dancing and beating Wlad if he can't KO him.

Foreman vs Wlad, Wlad KO's him. Wlad is like a bigger, faster version of Foreman. Foreman was 225 in his prime and slower, just look at his punches, almost looks in slow motion. Foreman had power so he'd have a punchers chance but he just looked slower, and smaller than Wlad.

Frazier? well, if Foreman was too big and strong, imagine Wlad. Of course, Frazier also had a puncher's chance.

To me, Lennox Lewis would be Wlad's toughest opponent. Same height, weight and Lewis had speed and power.

 

you are not worthy of holding an argument with, close to brain dead. It's like having a discussion with someone slow... nothing of what you say makes sense, you don't read carefully and lack intelligence in your arguments

 

Haye isn't 1/10 the fighter Ali was moron. The fact that you compare them is just ignorance. And haye's natural weight was 209, Ali has been in the ring at 235 before. Ali was not featherfisted by no means, was he a one punch knock out artist? No, but at the heavyweight division one punch can really change a fight, and we know Wlad is packing glass.

 

Says the guy with learning difficulties :rofl. I still can't believe that you're so damn slow that you compared loma/gennady, to ali/wlad. :rofl It's obvious that you're unemployed or working a minimum wage job, you should try being a comedian.

 

Most fighters pre the 1980s. Things have moved on massively.

 

ellerbe hung you out to dry son.

 

You're telling me the great fighters pre 1980's needed the benefit of modern training methods?

Why? Who are they? Are you going to give me examples or are you going to repeat the same statement over and over?

 

Are you going to give me that HOF list?

Anyways it was just funny how he held onto my one mistake of Foreman weighing in at 260, even after I admitted I was wrong since he actually provided a valid fact. But now that I provided facts, and just completely obliterated his argument he claims I'm not worthy :rofl. Only a re**** would keep on bringing up a simple little error someone made, and try to make themselves look more credible, even after the person they're arguing admitted they made an error.

 

It was too easy. I don't think he was serious, or he probably has a double digit IQ. I don't think I've heard anything dumber than a comparison of wlad/ali, to loma/gennady. The guy had the audacity to say Haye is "really skilled", and hype him up to being an Ali like talent :rofl too. He deserves an award for either the biggest troll, or dumbest person on this forum.

 

Ok as you need specific examples to get through your head I'd say both Ali and Foreman would be better more dangerous fighters if they were fighting now with the benefits of modern science. Diet, training plans etc.

I don't think that's a particularly controversial thing to say and actually supports your suggestion that they'd have a decent chance of beating Wlad if they had the same advantages he has had so not sure what your beef is.

 

He's not hanging off anything, it's clear that I owned the special ed kid. I mean he seriously compared wlad/ali, to loma/genna, and tried to hype Haye to be some special talent that was comparable to Ali, just because they're similar in size(though Haye is smaller something he obviously didn't mention since it didn't fit his argument).

 

I think Haye is more skilled than you're giving him credit for. He may not be Ali-esque but he won a silver medal at the amateur world championship so he clearly does have a fair degree of skill.

People run Haye down post the Wlad fight because they don't want to give Wlad credit and Haye's ridiculous toe excuse.

 

:deal Well stated.

 

Yes, Haye is skilled. I never disputed that. But to compare him to Ali is just pure blasphemy. The guys best wins are at CW, and Ali fought bigger men than him, and is bigger, something the re**** Typhoon forgot to mention. I give Wlad credit for Haye, I also mentioned earlier in this thread that I do consider Wlad an ATG for dominating the HW division so long. It may come off like I'm discrediting and hating on Wlad, but that's just because some of his slow witted fans make dumb comments like Ali/Wlad, would be like Loma/Golovkin, and I'm forced to take them to school and **** on wlad a bit.