Wlad Klitschko has the worst style for Ali

Lol no

 

Liston, Terrell and Foreman had better jabs than Jones - how did that work out for them?

There's different dynamics to fighters and different dynamics to a fight - based on Jones, Liston should've beaten Ali in 2 rounds right?

Anyone would think Jones won the way some of you guys carry on.

 

And anyone would think it's peak Ali. When the likes of Banks, Cooper and Jones are brought up as if they fought peak Ali you certainly know which way the land slopes.

 

How did it work out for Norton?

 

I think Ali's side to side movement would confuse Wladimir. Klitschko would be diving in the wrong directions for desperate grabs all night and would go to his knees several times with his own arms wrapped around himself.

 

About as well as it worked for Ross Purrity, Sanders, Brewster, Fury or AJ.

Wlad fought nothing like Norton.

Imagine the crazy thing about a fighter getting hit by another world class trained fighter - oh the shame.

At least bring up relevant fighters cos they have similar styles. Jones, Norton, Frazier have nothing in common stylistically with Wlad.

 

Agendas, bias, boxrec'ing and sleight of hand.

They will make excuses for their fighters in fights they lost whilst clinging onto fleeting moments or issues that an Ali or Louis solved in fights they actually won.

Can you imagine the shame in a world class fighter getting hit by punches that another world class fighter has trained to deliver?

 

What aspect of Norton did Ali struggle with the most?

 

Exactly mate, bang on.

 

Ali 1964-67 beats him with his fast hands and feet and ability to psych his opponent. Vlad can barely touch him. But Ali 1970-75 is lucky to squeak out a decision or a late round stoppage. He can't muscle Klitschko like he does to many of his late-career foes. Ali post-1975 loses by a wide margin. The later the year the more likely he gets stopped.

 

Tyson Fury did a complete psyche job on Wlad, both inside and outside of the ring.

Then look at his other performances against various guys.

Guys like Haye, Povetkin and AJ.

His tactics etc.

George wasn’t too small.

It depends which version of Wlad had turned up, and what mindset he was in.

He hated pressure.

He was stopped 3 times, by non great fighters.

He hit the canvas 13 times in his career.

The plodding Sam Peter had him down and looking vulnerable 3 times.

George was cold in his prime, and immensely strong on the inside.

If he’d have gotten close to Wlad and put him under immense pressure, he’d have had a chance.

Wlad’s octopus routine that he showed against Povetkin, wouldn’t have been as effective against George.

You are giving Wlad way too much credit here.

 

Wlad jabbed as a fence - he kept it at length and stayed cautious. He rarely used his jab as a highway to the danger zone.

When did you see Wlad use an active parry to simultaneously return jab, step into the mid-range and inside to work the body as consistently as Kenny? Kenny's jab and footwork, mentality and stylistic structure have nothing in common with Wlad.

To be honest, it's a rather lazy, at worst, inaccurate, at best, insinuation - the use of the jab is more similar to a Liston or Foreman from Wlad, deffo not a Norton. Again, not even remotely close stylistically.

 

Plus, 4 of the men to beat Ali were trained by Futch - and the fifth's brother was trained by him - and I think that's such an underrated factor how they beat Ali.

 

Good point.

What I'm seeing suggested is like saying x fighter lost cos y fighter had good footwork or threw great left hooks, often from below the direct eyeline (Frazier) - well, Wlad has two feet and a great left hook so of course he wins.

Liston and Foreman have ATG HW left hooks, they didn't beat Ali.

A distance controlling as opposed to a distance closing jab, not timed to parry and negate Ali's jab, and more importantly, the Ali right counter over the jab does what, exactly? Ali can slip both inside and outside the jab and as we saw with Folley, even Foster, where he absolutely disrespects Bob's skill and power and walks him down, he can step around the jab and counter immediately. These are demonstrable skill - doesn't mean that he would do it against Wlad.

The premise of the thread is incorrect - the worst possible styles for Ali to face are likely to be found between Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier and Tyson - smaller height, mid range to inside range fighters who are either quick footed, good headmovement with great left hooks or deceptively hard to hit, one punch power and work their way to the inside and explode with consistent body work.

This is a much more taxing fight - a longer distance boxing match where you have better headmovement, reflex, foot and handspeed, outside of size and power that Wlad enjoys, this is a massive challenge still, but doesn't carry the consistent threat that a Frazier or Tyson brings.

 

lol