Wlad Klitschko KO4 Joe Louis - P4P and H2H

It wasn't a critism of the entire era, just Conn.

However if I must go down that route>

Fighters back then were more macho (although not tougher), which led to bad strategic decisions (and alcohol abuse). Another reason why todays era of metro-sexual fighters is vastly superior (except rubbish losing fighters, offen refered to as being old school, like Gatti).

 

That's actually a good point. Then again, remember that as early as Fitzsimmons they were predicting that everybody would just go for the points victory and leave it at that. They were wrong then, and wrong now--even with their massive paydays, many fighters still have enough machismo to pile on the pressure when they could cruise instead.

 

Joe Louis would lose against several of 1980-2010 HW´s. Because he was a 185 lbs. boxer with a sometime sloppy defense and not the best chin. Tyson, Lewis, Holmes or Wlad Klitschko would have a good chance to beat him. And people who deny that categorical simply don´t know the sport and are bigots of old times....

 

Only mildly

 

You mean tyson isnt on Dempsey's level?

 

McGrain, #159 is a good analysis. Even so, I wonder if JL didn't outweigh Conn by 30# the fight may have had a different outcome. Heck if Conn was a solid 190+, instead of just shaking up Joe earlier, he may have stopped him. We'll never know.

 

McGrain, yes. Of course that's the logical response. If you take it to mean adding say even 20# to the actual real Conn, then JL may have caught up to him earlier. But if you take it to mean a naturally bigger version of Conn, then he probably would have won that nite.

Agree w/the Walcott analogy. JL was dropped 2X in JL-JW I. If scoring was on the 10pt system instead of rounds it would have been a robbery. Joe was 33 and slipping. JL received some iffy decisions in his career. While looking at JL's record on boxrec, I noticed that he didn't fight a single 200+ pounder after Simon & Buddy Bear (2 klutzes) in early '42 - near JL's prime. Some were just over LHW. I know, that was considered HW back then. After the 2 Walcott fights (and JL's "retirement"), the only name opponents he faced - none near 200 lbs - were Charles (lost), Savold (beat a ring worn fighter w/over 100 bouts?), & Marciano (KO loss). :-( I know the reasons, but Joe should have stayed away.

 

Anyone who thinks Joe Louis doesn't punch harder than Chris Byrd... well what can I say? That statement speaks for itself to all unbiased fans of pugilism. Joe's a powerful and techncal puncher, his qualities as a puncher being so good as to compare favourably with many modern havyweights.

Joe had all the kinetic chains going from the legs, through the abdomen, and shoulders, so vital in gerating good power along with compact and economic movent (short and crisp extension with his arms/hands) a blue print for any fighter wanting to be a strong technical puncher.

 

Conn made a huge blunder, it is as simple as that.

 

You've just made a case for dumbest poster. Louis knocked out some guy's who were Wlad's size or bigger than Wlad. Just because him and Byrd are the same weight doesn't mean they have the same punch stupid. Louis hit 100 times harder than Byrd.