Wlad Klitschko KO4 Joe Louis - P4P and H2H

I think that a Prime Holyfield matches up very well with him head to head. And there wouldn't even be a significant size difference.

 

And if they are both in their absolute peak, I think the bout would look just like Toney-Holyfield.

Louis had the better overall skills, and I don't think that Evander had the pop to put him out with one punch. That being said, Louis systematically breaks him down just like Toney did, only Louis could do it to a prime Holyfield for certain.

 

Holyfields a blown up Heavywieght and he had competitive matches with Big guys like Bowe, Lewis, and Foreman who many believe are better than Wlad including myself. And I think most people would say Loius is a better boxer with comparable power to Holyfield.

 

Are you forgetting Louis vs Schmeling 1?

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And Max didn't have anything close to the physical capabilities of Wladimir Klitschko.

Just look at Louis and be honest with yourself. The man would not even be a big cruiserweight. He could cut water weight and fight at Light Heavyweight.

 

Yeah JL was stopped by a ring worn CWT (Max), nearly stopped in his prime by a tub of goo (Tony G), got gift decisions, and looked 88 years old (was 38) vs 184 lb Marciano. Sure, he was near invincible. :nut

HW bad today...HW bad today... :tired and :dead Your programming is stuck in an infinite dofus loop.

Todays era is much more competitive, it's world wide. JL's era was actually quite limited and weak, but I don't want to confuse you with facts. :yep

 

Louis WAS cutting water weight.

Fighters in Louis's era preferred getting down in weight rather than going up, even for heavyweight fights. If Louis's regimen was less intense (and it would cut down somewhat given a 12 round distance rather than 15) then he would fall more closely into the 210-220 lb. range. About the same size as Brock or Holyfield.

Re Schmeling: He was a more technically proficient fighter than Klitschko
"pound for pound" (mind you, Klitschko is great for a man his size). Schmeling had a very good eye for strategic weaknesses and an awkward style to allow him to exploit them.

 

Holyfield also matches up well with Wladimir head-to-head, despite (as you say) being about the same size as Joe Louis.

 

you dont want to compare losses look at who floored Wlad 4 times, a ****ing journeymen who looked like mma guy with those looping ass punches and oh yeah dont let me forget that ATG heavywieght Ross Purity who is like 29-20 now. Face it Wlad has the one of the worst chins of any Heavywieght champs I ever seen. His chin gets taped and it looks like hes having a having a massive heart attack in the ring, yeah im sure he will beat ATG like Louis.

 

wlad is very good and i defiitely count on him to be competitive aainst any 'atg'. but louis was a big guy with huge punching power. the guy was a ****ing beast. to say wlad would knock him out in the 4th is not ony unbeleivable, but downright ignorant.

 

hey now Guru..two can play this game though. Louis did not have the greatest set of whiskers in the game. He was dropped, I believe, 10 times in his career by far lesser punchers than Wlad.

That said, I still see Joe knocking him the fuc kout. :yep

 

I agree with everything but the last comment. I do think career accomplishments enter into the picture as much or more so than ficticious match ups. Certainly on a H2H basis Louis wouldn't rank too high and would likely loose to Wlad, but on a P4P basis and on his longivity on the top and his domination of his contempories, he's much higher than Wlad, at least currently.

 

Look I've read your stuff before. I know you're a hater of the current HW scene - and its not hard to figure out why. Your argumets are weak beacuse you exaggerate to make a point - maybe because you're not sure of them. To call Sanders a journeyman is silly. The not so serious Sanders stopped many recent HWs, and was a dangerous quick striking lefty with some power. Wlad's chin, like LL, is average. If Wlad has a bad chin then so does Joe Louis. You can't have it both ways except in your own world.

Actually Brock, Brew, and Austin looked like the ones having heart attacks vs Wlad - or maybe shot with a rifle is a better description. :rofl You need to watch more fights ! Tell me what really bothers you about Wlad being the best, the BEST HW. C'mon it won't hurt. :yep

 

Yes, Wlad is clearly the best heavyweight right now. Hopefully he's also on his way to unifying and becoming the first champion since Lennox Lewis. He certainly has the ability to do so.

...But his chin is not better than Louis's. Louis's wasn't great, mind you (though part of it comes down to balanace), but Wlad's is worse than average.

 

By saying that JL is a candidate as a top p4p HW (and I think he is), high end accomplishents is implied, else why would I consider him ATG status by any measure? :blood There's no disagreement here.