Wlad Klitschko KO4 Joe Louis - P4P and H2H

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  1. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

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    Hell mediocre Chris Byrd a former MW beat Vitaly and went 12 rounds with Wlad the 1st time and anyone who thinks Wlad fought better comp knows nothing about boxing at all.
     
  2. 2smart4u

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    :lol: 13 rounds to take out a middleweight !:deal :yep The degree of delusion you display is EPIC !:hi: Cheers !
     
  3. TheGreat

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    Again Klitchco hugger he was past his prime but whats Wlad excuse for getting his ass handed to him by tomato cans while in his prime?
     
  4. 2smart4u

    2smart4u Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol: JOE was in his PRIME ! And outside the loss to SANDERS VLADs loss to BREW was bizzar and the loss to PURITY was due to being sick overtrained and a kid ! :hi: 13 rounds to take out a middleweight !:yep Take your glasses off buddy and have a good night ! :bbb
     
  5. McGrain

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    Tell you what though - bringing up Joe's in ability to put away a small and elusive fighter quickly when discussing his chances versus an imobile (relative) super-heavy is a really strange thing to do.

    Louis' one round KO of Buddy Baer is much more relevant.
     
  6. SugarShane_24

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    In truth, had Louis been active today, he should be facing Mormeck in 12 rounds.
     
  7. McGrain

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    It's possible that he would get started in that division.

    But he's a far better puncher than Hollyfield, for example, who has become an ATG heavy.
     
  8. Decker

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    You can call me and others huggers, but you're a pure hater of Wlad. Your arguments make absolutely no sense - and you have the gall to say you have all this boxing knowledge. Byrd faught at HW. He was a small HW, but he was over 200 lbs. Chris was a legit champ fighting in an era with true world comp. If Byrd is mediocre then Joe Louis was a hack fighting bums. Of course both are wrong. Vitali had a severe shoulder injury and decided not to risk making it a career ending one. Everybody knows that except haters like you. :verysad

    Here's more of your boxing "wisdom"
    Journeymen? :nut This is the haters #1 attack (like calling McCall or Rahman bums to put down LL), discrediting a fighters opponents to diminish their achievements. The "this era is weak" is a corollary. Puritty was a durable fighter, Sanders a dangerous lefty who never seemed to take boxing very serious, and Brew... why he was the next big thing until Wlad finished what SL started. The only thing :rofl :rofl :rofl is your boxing "knowledge".

    Here's more laughs...
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    Louis was 27 - I'll say it slow t-w-e-n-t-y s-e-v-e-n. That's past his prime? :nut :lol: Damn, I know Joe didn't age well but if he wasn't in his prime at that age, when was he? The nite past it CW Max KO'd him? :rofl Which is it, did Louis have this great short prime like Tyson, or did he have this long reign due to fighting in a weak era. YOU are saying he was past his prime vs Conn, then he must have been fighting in the worst HW era ever ! Articles I've read state that Conn was no more than 169 vs Louis. Wlad would have demolished Conn on an off nite. Wlad's in his prime now, destroying real HWs from slick guys like Byrd to Brew, Brock, & Austin. Just because your panties are tied in knots over it doesn't make it any less true. Based on Louis performance vs SMW Conn he'd have struggled vs every one of them except maybe Austin - and that's a big maybe. :deal And not on the same nite, but months apart. :yep

    Please give us more of your NotsoGreat boxing knowledge :nut :lol: :rofl
     
  9. McGrain

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    Yeah, well said, I agree.


    But basing Louis' value on his Conn performance is a school boy error.

    Conn recognised something absolutely crucial going into his match with Louis; Louis didn't fight outside a given circle, that is, he wasn't a man for waiting, he didn't need to get overset (think Dick Tiger) rather he was only comfortable boxing a man within a set range. This allowed Louis to totally - totally - avoid overextension (another fine reason to pick him against Klit). On the other hand it made him vulnerable to an elusive, iron-chinned fighter. Enter Billy Conn.

    Conn was small, yes. He was also superfast, hard to hit clean, agile and was the first to recognise this "circle" within which Louis fought (or as Conn put it - "He can't box worth a lick! He has to hit you! And he couldn't hit me at two paces with a handfull of rice!") and to take advantage.

    Louis spent his entire career trying to force men onto the front foot, trying to force them into his circle. Of course, he managed it with Conn eventually. I pick Louis to beat any man who would enter this circle voluntarily. I pick him to struggle against anyone who can succesfully remain outwith it. No-one ever managed to do that v peak Louis, however.

    As to your points about Louis' peak - you are correct, it is disengenous to insists that the Conn fight took place outside of that peak. It happened firmly within it. As i've suggested, the reason Louis struggled was a matter of style not past-peak. But Conn was the right man, at the right time and is an ATG himself - still he lost. Let's not forget these points.
     
  10. Carlos Primera

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    i feel he would. imo wlad is simply to evolved and is a stylistic nightmare for an old timer like jou louis.
     
  11. El Bombasto

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    that's great, but perhaps wlad should focus on unifying the titles, so when his career is over he might be mentioned in the same breath as truly great fighters like louis
     
  12. doknochrisan

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  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Look at the manuals of the time if you don't believe me. They did try to cut weight to an absolute minimum. I am certain he was doing massive amounts of cardio and weight-cutting, and pretty certain he was cutting water weight--the idea being to come in as light as possible. Even at a later date, Ali was using diuretics to try to drain weight during his fight with Holmes.

    Heck, you want more proof? Look at Louis's dehydrating himself for the Conn fight. It's pretty well recorded. These two articles took me about ten seconds of googling:

    http://coxscorner.tripod.com/10heavyweight.html

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=4489&more=1

    Look for "dehydrat" in the search bar.
     
  14. Decker

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    Yuck, yuck. There's an old saying in boxing - don't hook with a hooker. I can be as sarcastic as anybody on ESB. :yep

    I'm no school boy, sonny.

    Now at least you're presenting an argument, instead of the "this era is weak" bs. I understand you and many other don't like the current HW title holders - usually for national, racial, or nostalgic reasons.

    Then who was suggesting JL was past his prime? :huh It wasn't me. Yes, Conn was an ATG - as a SMW & LHW. Let's not forget that either ! :cool:
     
  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    A middleweight who weighed 174 pounds. I guess he was the only middleweight of that period who was allowed to come into the ring 14 pounds overweight.