Wlad Klitschko v. Joe Frazier

your point is?

 

Hooks...

 

Oh I think Vlad has a lot more tinkle in the chin than Smokin Joe. Vlad vs. Big george? First rd kayo for Foreman. He would walk right out and bludgeon him quickly. Why would he stop him faster than he did frazier? Vlad would be frightened of Foreman. And as for fighting heart... Frazier`s heart bigger than Vlad`s body... I mean look who Vald has been beaten by? Frazier`s 4 losses to two hall of famers,one who may have been THE greatest...

 

frazier would clock him with the greatest left hook of all time

 

Sakura, I still don't understand your point. However if you're insinuating that Klitschko's KO of this fighter is the blueprint for a fight against Joe Frazier, you need to seriously take a good look at Frazier's career.

Exum Speight is no Joe Frazier, and Klitschko would take the worst beating in his career to the body and get knocked out well before the 10 round. Frazier would have a field day with that long, slow jab and he'd certainly make Klitschko pay the price any time he misses a shot. I'd bet on Frazier to knock Klitschko out within a couple of rounds if he finds his right hand early in the fight.

 

I've taken a good look at Frazier's career, and during every single one of his fights against better opposition, he ships a shitload of punishment during the first rounds. This is fact, not an opinion. Quarry beat the **** out of him early. Bonavena dropped him twice. Ali hit him an insane amount of times. Ramos staggered him in the 1st.

 

Frazier would knock Wlad out he would break him down and beat him on the inside Wlad has pretty much no infighting at all and only uses three punches left jab, straight right and left hook. Wlad has never beaten a fighter of Joe's level. Frazier via KO in 7.

 

Ramos didn't really hurt him though, he just nailed him with a good shot that knocked Joe back just due to the brute force of it. Taking that shot actually helps him, it was a big shot that literally made Frazier go back temporarily but he absorbs it and goes back to work a second later.

 

I've watched them too as well, and the same Joe Frazier made all those fighters that you've mentioned miss a lot of shots in the first few rounds.

Quarry was a top contender that had better than average stand-up boxing skills and knew how to set up his punches as well. If he didn't cut and bleed like Cooper his career might have seen a championship belt.

Bonavena did drop Joe twice in the first round, the first time they fought, however the second KD was more of a push-down rather than a true knockdown. It didn't matter because Frazier survived the round, warmed up and went back to work.

Chuvalo hit him with some serious punches in their fight as did Mathis and Jimmy Ellis.

Ali missed a whole lot of punches in the entire FOTC even though he landed some solid shots.

What happened in all these fights? Joe kept the pressure up and made them miss more while landing his own hooks.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you in terms of your analysis, but in reality, neither Klitschko brother would have enough to beat Joe Frazier from 1967 - 1969. I think the only comparison that can be made is how quickly in relation to George Foreman would the Klitschko brothers KO the declining, overweight, overconfident, 1973 Joe Frazier. This is the only Frazier I can see either brother beating.

 

Frazier was actually was down on points ( until round 7 ) to a much bigger, and over weight Mathis, who isn't nearly as good, strong, fast or powerful as Wlad.

Frazier didn't exactly look good vs Bugner either. And Bugner was the very definition of a non-aggressive fighter. Yet the one time Bugner landed solid, he rocked Frazier.

Of course, we know how the Foreman matches played out.


Wlad sure could beat Frazier.


There is some evidence that Frazier did not do as well vs big fighters.

 

Hurting a guy is one thing, finishing him off is another. Foreman did it, and he is considered to be one of, if not THE best puncher in history. Frazier did get rocked at times, but he always came storming back. I don`t think Vlad would get through a round with big George. And I`d like to see if Vlad had the heart to keep climbing off the deck like Joe. If George stared at Vlad like he did Joe, fight would be over before it started...

 

Not a round? This is silly. The bald truth is Foreman struggled vs the best boxers he faced in Ali and Jimmy Young. He lost both fights.

Ron Lyle, a boxer puncher with less speed and power than Wlad had Foreman down twice, and nearly out.

 

I guess I`m not sold on Vlad`s chin, maybe durability. I still kind see Vlad as a bit robotic. Jimmy Young was very cagey and slippery. Now I see Vitali giving George maybe a tougher time than Vlad. I just think Foreman would come out bombs away. Jump on Vlad before he gets started. Thats why I like these posts. Ther`s always a different way to look at these fights...

 

I always thought Lyle was a dangerous fighter, with a damn good punch...

 

You're right. George Foreman is nothing compared to Super-Sanders. Wlad is the best boxer p4p ever and while no boxer is close to being as great as him, the nearest though still very distant secnd is Super-Sanders and he was incredibly lucky. Wlad would ko Foreman in ten seconds.

Wlad p4pno.1goat Super-Sanders p4pno.2goat