Wlad Klitschko v. Joe Frazier

wlad klitscko? frazier by KNOCKOUT at any point of fight (proly round 5-6)

vitali klitschko? dunno - tougher to predict.

i give the benefit of the doubt to the ATG though!

 

Same as Klitschko-Brewster, but without Wlad punching himself out, and as Frazier didn't have Brewster's chin, he won't survive the onslaught any longer than a couple of rounds.

 

He would have to aim at about his own shoulder height or a bit lower to hit Frazier on the chin. In other words, the ideal height since punches start from the shoulder and end there as well. Frazier, however, will have to throw those hooks upward pretty high which means his reach will also be even shorter - he'd probably be tied up most of the time there.

 

frazier fought buster mathis,not as tall as wlad but heavier if i remember correctly,so yes hes fought a big fighter before

 

Bigger target for Frazier, more to hit. Either Klitschko would fall before the tenth round probably from the result of Frazier's body attack. Don't compare Byrd and Brewster to Frazier. Wlad and Vitali wouldn't be able to handle a prime Joe Frazier's pressure and speed. Either Klitschko brother could have Frazier on the mat early, only because Frazier is a slow starter. Both of these guys have yet to face a heavyweight with the work rate and pace of Joe Frazier.

 

I see Frazier working the body a lot and eventually slowing Wlad down and finishing him between rounds 6-9. Look at the first Lamon fight I know Wlad has improved but he has never come close to fighting anyone on Frazier's level.

 

Frazier will get in close and outwork and outpunch him - non-stop pressure is the key to victory. Henry Armstrong was Frazier's man. Frazier KO 10.

 

I disagree with the guys saying Vitali would beat Frazier more convincingly. I don't think it's in the bag at all. In my opinion, Frazier's output would either outpoint the elder Klitschko or stop him in later rounds.

A fight with Wlad is harder to call. I'll withhold judgment until I've seen more of the younger Ukranian.

I think the difference between the brothers is that while Vitali is an above average fighter with a good base, Wlad is a potential great with one or two glaring deficiencies. What I don't like about Wlad is that the knockout losses of his past seem to have made him somewhat cripplingly risk-averse; He is robotic with his footwork and this is a huge disadvantage when up against movers. If he were ever in the ring with a boxer the caliber of a Larry Holmes, I expect his punchstat to be way low simply because he'd never get set. Vitali, on the other hand, I'd describe as a bigger, better Ingemar Johansson. There really isn't much else to him. He could also be described as an inferior Riddick Bowe albeit his defense is better than Riddick.

 

I don't think Vitali compares well to Johansson at all. They're both non-Americans and that's about it. Johanson has big explosive knockout power in his right hand. Vitali is more of a wear-you-down puncher with power in both hands and a high punch output. His style is very akward and hard to figure out. Johansson was more of a basic, stalking orthodox puncher. Johansson may have had a rather weak jaw (though it's hard to judge from the number of top fights he had) whereas Vitali had an strong jaw.

 

Funny, I never even considered their nationalities when making the comparison. All the things you mentioned are true, in a sense. You focused more on physical attributes though. You mention chin, power and whatnot; I was referring more to their styles-- the way they carried their hands, the way they punched off awkward, pawing jabs. I always thought the Klitschkos (both Wladimir and Vitali) were reminiscent of Johansson in that way. Something about Vitali reminds me about Inggo especially.

 

How did Frazier do vs much bigger heavyweights? Frazier was down on points vs an over weight Buster Mathis until round 7, and failed to stop Bugner, but was rocked along the way.

Both Klitschko's are better than Mathis or Bugner as boxers, and both his a heck of a lot harder.

Frazier was a slow starter at times. He would need to come out fast. If the took a while to get going, he's getting TKO'd in my opinion.

 

I would have to go for Frazier Wlad has a chin and stamina problem Frazier has a great left hook and incredible stamina, he would get inside Wlad and wear him out.

 

I would have to go with Wlad.
I think people, aren't always honest with themselves or think with their heart instead of their head when doing a fantasy fight prediction between an ATG and a non-ATG.

People look at Joe, his achievements and the fighters he's beaten and fought and then they look at Wlads, it just doesn't compare in terms of accomplishments. But in H2H, if you look at what each fighter has to offer, I'd just have to go with Wlad.

 

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errr... is there some reasoning behind this assertion? Did the human race hyper-evolve in the 30 or so years between their respective births?

Wlad KO4 Frazier. Bad matchup stylistically.