Wlad Klitschko v. Joe Frazier

I think hes more susceptible to mid-late round Kayo losses. When he gets hurt/stunned under pressure, he seems to panic mentally and gets real tired fast and purrity stopped him due to exhaustion, so did brewster. Even against sam peter, he panicked and after the 2nd knockdown he got real winded and went down for the 3rd time without being hit. he was nearly stopped in that fight. With fraziers power relentless pressure and punchrate, hes going to test wlads will and stamina. does wlad have what it take? I dont think so

 

That's the most noticeable difference, but those '45's' were made for Frazier's bobbing head. Foreman’s combination of punch power and punch selection (hooks into uppercuts, uppercuts into hooks) caused the rapid downfall of Frazier.

You have later said that Manny would tell Wladimir to be more aggressive towards Frazier, but is that really as black & white as that when one considers that 1) Frazier is another kind of animal and 2) Wladimir has a demons about being put on the back foot...

 

Wlads complete lack of headmovement would see him get brutally knocked out.

Different class of fighter entirely.

 

I am inclined to agree. Wlad is simply not dynamic enough IMO to get Frazier out of there early enough and will wilt both endurance wise and durability wise later on.

 

Frazier would take Wladamir apart.

Wlad is good but he is not that good.

I think that Wlad got far too much criticism for the Ibragimov fight which he won decisivley but if he was reluctant to comit against Ibragimov he would be more than reluctant against Frazier and that just wouldnt wash.

Nobody is beating Frazier without being prepared to mix it up a bit

People often forgett what a force of nature Frazier was at his peak. There are verry few guys who could have beaten him in 71. The worst fighters that beat him were Muhamad Ali and George Foreman.

 

Why is Frazier another kind of animal? I'm a big fan of his, but he was a human being with a less than spectacular jaw who got hit an awful lot early in all of his fights against world class opposition. This is a fact.

Maybe Wlad has demons about the backfoot, or maybe Peter has demons about not catching Wlad in a corner or on the ropes on a single occasion over 12 rounds. Not saying he could achieve that against Frazier, but his footwork is outstanding. Yes, his holding on the inside isn't the most spectacular thing, but what is Frazier going to do about it? He's a sitting duck on the outside, which is a big region against the Ukranian. He's giving up 40 pounds of natural size.

Wouldn't a relentless pressure fighter be a nightmare against someone whose stamina is suspect? Well, it didn't matter one bit for Foreman. That's all i'm saying: there are certain fighters that match up well with Frazier in the sense that all of his strengths are completely neutralised. Wlad is not 100% sure in that category, but he sure brings the right tools to the table.

 

Do you honestly think that fights with Peter, Brewster or Ibragimov would be any preparation for fighting Frazier?

Diferent kind of animal dosnt cover it.

 

Irrelevant.


Well, look at Young or even a good-but-nothing-special-contender like Lyle. Young thoroughly beat Foreman and Lyle was inch away from victory. Frazier clearly is another animal compared to those; imagine what Joe's pressure would do to Foreman's weak stamina and sloppy technique!

 

If Wlad had a better chin he would win, but he doesn't so one of Fraziers hook would eventually put him down.

I see Frazier winning TKO 7.

 

A couple of observations.

Jimmy Joung would beat any heavyweight today except perhaps Wlad.

Lyle would be glory or bust for any of them.

They would either get laid out or get a bit of historic respect.

 

Frazer wtih two sound eyes. He was half blind in his right eye, which was why he didn't see Forman's punches coming. Which was why the Thrillia in Manillia was stopped. One eye pounded shut and he coudn't see well out of his right eye. When that started happening, was about the time Frazier lost the use of his once good right hand.

Mathis when he fought Frazier was considered a very good boxer for a big fat sack...now he'd be just medium sized and Toney chubby. He was a hell of a lot better than Kirk Johnson? The Canidian fat sack who fought Vitili. Mathis was dammed fast, and could duck well. I did not put any money on the fight, so it must have been a pick-em fight. I liked Frazier but thought Mathis would out box him. Mathis wasn't worth much after Frazier got rid of him.

Wlad has to get Frazier early inside of 7 to 9, if it goes into the Championship rounds then Joe....we are fighting 15 rounds.

 

The media does not mention it, and few fans see it, but Wlad has a very good defense. His guard is usually height these days. He blocks well ( the hook in particular ) , and moves his feet to zone his man. In addition, Wlad might have all time clinching skills. Wald can quickly execute a clinch with great technique and speed.

 

#1 Joe Frazier doesn't have a D level chin. I'd honestly say Frazier has a B level chin, close to an A level chin. Foreman couldn't keep him down in 1973 and that version of Frazier was nowhere near the prime version of 1967-1970. The fact that Frazier kept getting up is testament to his toughness. The same punches Ali threw to knock out Foreman in 1974 couldn't keep Frazier at bay for 41 rounds.

Technically, Klitschko probably throws a better right hand than Ali's but people forget that nobody in heavyweight history had the speed or reflexes of Ali. Pre-exile Ali was able to get away with a lot less technique on his punches because he was that quick and was able to nullify his opponents blows with his blocking and defensive speed. Frazier beat the closest version of Ali to his prime and it can be argued that Ali was a better fighter after his exile because he sat down on his punches more often and threw better combinations knowing without his legs that he couldn't dance for fifteen rounds flicking his shots.

Klitschko hits harder than Foreman? I don't think so and that is where I think you're grossly mistaken. Nobody in heavyweight history had a harder right hand than Foreman, with Earnie Shavers a notable exception. Klitschko no doubt is very skilled and is an athlete himself. However, watching Klitschko's fights makes me conclude that Frazier would have no troubles catching that big target and would wear him down and stop him, before the 9th round. Both Klitschko brothers can be caught and they're not as fast on foot as people make them out to be.

 

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I know Vlad is big. But, I see Joe working his way in and wearing him down, late rd KO. Vlad isn`t the puncher Foreman is, and he wouldn`t be pushing Joe back to create punching room. His whiskers are suspect and I think Frazier could hurt him. And if a fight broke out, how could you pick against Frazier?