Wlad Klitschko V Sonny Liston

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    What sort of a fight is this, between the two, near enough at their best.
    For me, it's not a quick, couple of rounds blow out, but neither does it go the distance.
    We'll set it at 12, neither man went 15.
     
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    I like Sonny by ko here 5./6 rds
     
  3. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Liston by KO in 2-4 rounds.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    I get lost in the matrix on this one. Not for a second do I think that Wlad can control the distance vs Liston but that doesn’t mean he would lose the resulting shootout. I’ll go for Liston by ko because I like him more.
     
  5. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad is a great fighter but if u were picking one fighter whom I thought was the worst for him Liston may be it. Listons busy hands accompanied w power in both spells a bad night for Wlad.
     
  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I don't like to underestimate fighters in head to head, and pick sonny cos his killer reputation, but I genuinely see this being a painful loss for WK.
    I just see Liston koing him, and beating him every round it goes on for.
    Wladimir should never have signed for the fight!!
     
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  7. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Early career, aggressive Wlad, the one who fought Sanders, is a shoot-out.

    Either man can win depending on who lands the big one first. I would favour Sonny by a small margin.


    Later career , safety-first Wlad, the one who fought Wach or Thomson, is a more boring, clinching affair.

    Wlad's size and strength give him an edge here and I lean towards the Ukrianian on points.
     
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  8. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    Liston knocks Wlad out in the middle rounds.
     
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  9. FrankinDallas

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    The Emmanuel Lewis trained Wlad jabs and clutches his way to a UD. Liston was easily demoralized and getting jabbed constantly by a man who wouldn't engage would take away his aggressiveness.
     
  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    It would start as a jabbing contest between two of the best jabbers of all time. Liston had longer arm length while Wlad had greater height. Both could be hurt and stopped. If Sonny gets Wlad in trouble early the way that Sanders did then it might be over quickly. But If the more cautious and stregic Wladimir of the Manny Steward camp shows up then this might go a while. It’s hard to imagine Liston doing much on the inside given Wlad’s excellent tendency to tie men up as well as having such immense size and strength to do it with. Not an easy pick. I think it go either way.
     
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  11. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wladimir stops Liston 90/100, outpoints him 9/100 and loses 1/100.

    Liston does not have the chin, heart or boxing ability to win. He was happy feasting on fat LHWs and tiny HWs. He quit against powder puncher Clay.
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Absolutely no basis for this whatsoever.
     
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  13. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Liston-Clay I: Liston quits in his corner when faced with an unafraid, mobile opponent.
    Liston-Clay II: Liston takes a dive after facing an unafraid, mobile opponent.
    Liston-Leotis Martin: faced with an unafraid and mobile opponent, Liston crumbles and gets KTFO.

    I rest my case.
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Liston-Clay I: Liston was at the very youngest 34 years old, and according to the most recent official data we have 43-44 at the time of the fight. Contemporary doctors estimated his age to be 38 to 41. He'd had less than 6 minutes of ring time in the last three years, and had a known shoulder injury going into the bout confirmed by the commission

    Liston-Clay II: Nobody knows what happened here.

    Liston-Leotis Martin: lol! I'll just leave it at that. Aside from Liston's age at the time, I doubt you've even watched the fight. Liston certainly didn't "crumble". He was gassed. Understandably at that age, and with the flu (which Foreman, his sparring partner states he had at the time). If he "crumbled" mentally he would've quit long before the 9th when he was gasping for air.

    If he was so "easily demoralized" to quit at the first sight of adversity, why didn't he quit when Williams broke his nose, and staggered him? Or when Marshall broke his jaw? Or when Valdez shut his eye?
     
  15. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    You're making excuses for Sonny. We all know what happened in Clay Ii: he quite, again. Maybe it was due to Nation of Islam threats, maybe the mob told him to take a dive, one way or another he went down via a Phantom punch.

    He was gassed because he was losing and he knew it. Sure, flu, whatever.

    I stand by what I said: a motivated, Steward trained Wlad wins. Certainly Sonny could get a ko, maybe a 25% chance. Wlad labs, moves (like Ali), wins.