Wlad Klitschko vs Jack Johnson

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  1. mcvey

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    Vlad? Would he impale him?
     
  2. The Long Count

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    I always thought Wlad "the impaler" Klitschko was a better nickname than Dr. Steel hammer. I would never let a W get in the way of a V when a nickname like that is available lol.
     
  3. mcvey

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    I'm waiting for an explanation of the, " weapons Wlad has that were not available in Johnson's day":huh

    Johnson's era had the jab, right cross,left hook,uppercut,straight left lead.
    What am I missing when I see Wlad ? What secret weapons does he possess that are unique to his era?
    Truly some who watch his fights are blessed with extra-sensory powers us mortals cannot hope to aspire to.:oops:
     
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    ak47?
     
  5. mcvey

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    Aaah! Now I see.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    A world class boxer with an 81" inch reach that had speed, accuracy, and a lot of power. Punches could be set up off the jab. No such fighter had all of the above attributes at the same time Johnson's day.
     
  7. HerolGee

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    well speed hasdnt changed, accuracy hasn't changed. Being havier can lend to more power if you use it well, which Wlad doesn't do, he runs and jabs, though he does use his weight to wrestle/push his opponents down.

    So...no.

    so by weapons you think he meant arms length wasnt available in johnsons day?
    Did people not have long arms available back then? Sonny Liston had longer, and he was born around that time. Maybe you mean arm extensions, those mechanical things that old people use to grab things off tall shelves? They weren't available in Johnsons day.
     
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    Weapons evolve in terms of firing range, speed of the shell, power and accuracy. This can not be denied.

    Wlad has the same base weapons, but they are just better. He is far more advanced in terms of the above when compared to the fighters from 1895-1925. Yes-- there were some with power. Yes there were some with speed. No one had as good as jab or right hand for sure, and very few stood 6'6" with an 81" reach.

    Simply stated there wasn't anyone who could deploy their weapons they way Wlad could, and almost all of them lacked his range.

    Johnson is get knocked out here.
     
  9. HerolGee

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    true, hand artillery evolves, but why are you suggesting klitscko can bring a machine gun into the ring? Is this the only way you can argue that Klitman wins?

    You keep repeating that. what has changed about these weapons to make them better?


    what does Wlad lack again. chin, so this is a joke -
     
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    At 6'6 and 240+ lbs of muscle, Vlad has one of the strongest and accurate Jabs followed with a right hand rocket and a left hook and a good set of feet, Jeffries nor Langford nor the rest that Johnson fought could not compare in any manor and the guys that put Johnson on the canvas Ketchel and Choynski could not hit like Vlad the Impaler...nor did the big man man Willard possess the power or skill of the Vladster
     
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    how do you know all these assumptions? Vlads jab looks weak and slow, hardly a great weapon.
    How do you know that Wlad hits harder than Willard?

    The only thing we know for sure is that fighters of that era were fitter, built to go long distance fights.
     
  12. mcvey

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    Johnson kod a fighter for half an hour that was considered to have the best jab of his era ,he was between 6'3" and 6'6" and his reach was 82". Johnson did not have speed or accuracy?
    What new style has Wlad brought to boxing?
    N.B. Laying all over the back of shorter opponents does not constitute a revolutionary breakthrough in pugilism.:lol:
     
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    if you were 240lbs of muscle, you would never make a good boxer. Your cardio would be fcuked.


    why don't you try actually writing a point, instead of a bodybuilding magazine superlative? This isn't a Conan movie we are discussing.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    You completely miss my points. I was talking about Wlad’s physical gists and skill level. No such combination existed 100 years ago.

    Wlad’s chin is not a factor in this fantasy match up because Johnson wasn’t very active, nor was he a puncher. Johnson’s couldn't knock out many heavyweight stiffs, and quite a few smaller men that today would be middleweights, or light heavyweights. These are facts.

    Johnson’s clinching techniques won't help him here….Wlad will clap down and put weigh ton his legs. There is a reason Johnson did not try to out wrestle / clinch / Jess Willard or Battling Jim Johnson, they were too big for him.

    As for Johnson, his 74” reach, low guard, and sometimes stationary style would be target practice for Wlad. This is a mis-match. IF Johnson had more power, and fought aggressively he have a better chance
     
  15. mcvey

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    If you could write English to an intelligible, level you might stand a better chance of people understanding you.:yep