Wlad Klitschko vs Jack Johnson

Seamus,

HerolGee isn't a serious poster. He's not going to reply back with anything substantial.

 

And you are?

 

a serious tit.

reply to me if you have something to say about me, that would be manners, thanks.

 

I'll get round to Wlad-Povetkin when I develop insomnia. As a cure.

NOW why don't you try replying to the post this time. here u go.

 

I LIKE wlad inside 5

 

The premise that all huge men are durable is bollocks ,that's what I am challenging here. How many heavyweights today are bigger than Wlad yet his chin is fragile?

I boxed for nearly two decades, to no laudatory standard, but from welter to lhvy so maybe I have some understanding of the differences?

 

wrong way round its Wlad who never got in the ring with a Johnson type (reason being he knew he was in grave danger of getting pasted out. Wlad ran gibbering from anyone who posed a danger to him. Its Vitali when younger who had the balls to face Johnson).

 

If we ignore possible self-irony of my statement, may I suggest that someone who writes a sweeping generalisation is generally trying to find a backdoor out of an argument that they have failed to win, ergo -

Seamus, why have you not yet explained how the brain of a LW and a brain of HW are wired differently so that they react differently to direct impacts. Why have you run away gibbering faster than Wlad from the prospect of facing JJ?

 

You could say Johnson was a 6 foot man with fast hands and a for his time a good defense. Sounds a bit like Chris Byrd. Maybe Johnson had more power, but Byrd had the better chin.

We saw what happened when Wlad fought a small & quick defensive minded fighter.

It was a mis match. Like I told you before, Johnson lost to smaller men, and was beaten by perhaps two of the worst lineal champions of all time in Hart and Willard. In-between Hart and Willard, Johnson was out boxed by a middle weight according to some primary sourced, floored by another middle, and drew with a man who had a journeyman like record, while avoiding the best out there in Langford, Jeannette, and MCVey.

Johnson did fight a 4 round ex match with Gun Boat Smith, and he was TKO'd in the 4th.

You really think this type of fighter would beat Wlad? :hi:

 

no..
but you clearly think that a bit part titlist like byrd is equivalent to the undisputed long term champ ATG. completely different leagues.

You kinda undermined your own argument there, but you are welcome to try again.

 

this also is a major fail, Willard was a good champion, though he certainly got lucky in fighting a very post prime perhaps shot 37 year old Jack rather than the prime one, who I fell on the evidence of the early part of their fight when he wasn't gassing, was superior to Willard for the whole fight

 

Mcvey, read what i ****ing wrote. You are smarter than that. "As a general trend" is not "all huge men"....

 

The structure that encases them, the fulcrum points and absorptive potential of bone and muscle that support the brain of a heavyweight and light heavy and welter differ significantly. Neck strength, mandible strength, displacement of cranial fluid.. Seriously, if on average, if as a general trend, you think it is just as easy to KO a welter as a heavy, you don't have a faking clue about the sport.

And also understand that stopping an opponent only rarely means sparking him out cold. A lot of it is mental. A lot of it is will. A lot of it is stamina. A lot of it is seeing the punches coming and pacing yourself through them. The one time I was almost stopped (and received a dislocated jaw for my pleasure) I was able to swim through the deep waters and stop my opponent two rounds later. If any fighter, pro of amateur, develops the problem of being sparked out cold regularly, they are usually barred from competing, at least in my country.

 

" I hit Johnson on the chin and knocked him through the ropes"

Edward Gunboat Smith March 1970:Taped interview at his home conducted by Peter Heller.

NO TKO

In a sparring session , no verdict is given because it is a spar as anyone who knows anything about boxing knows.

But this idiot continues to propagate this lie over and over.

Toxie Hall dropped Rocky Marciano when Marciano was sparring with him prepping for ****ell.
Charlie Goldman stopped the sparring for the day,was that a tko win for Hall?

Travis Walker dropped Vitali Klitschko in sparring
Raphael Buter dropped Vitali in sparring and the session was terminated,was that a tko scored against Vitali?

Does that mean Box Rec should put in on his record ?


On the knockdown "scored by a middleweight against Johnson"

" It was no contest,Johnson would pick him up by the arms and set him anywhere he wanted and slap him down.Then they pulled a fake knockdown"

Edward Gunboat Smith March 1970,same taped interview.
Smith sparred with both Ketchel and Johnson for that fight.


That "Journeyman" beat Joe Jeanette twice ,drew with Sam Langford 3 times stopped Harry Wills , Jeff Clark, and kod Arthur Pelkey.
If he was a journeyman what were they?atsch
Johnson drew with him over ten rounds,[which you used to insist was cut short from twenty rounds to save Johnson's title.]
Johnson was 35 years old and fighting for the last seven rounds with a broken arm.
Seven months after this fight Jim Johnson drew with Joe
Jeanette,Jeannette did not have a broken arm.

Have you the slightest idea what an absolutely MORONIC BIGOT you are.?

 

Who cares about sparring?

Johnson's defense doesn't derail Wlad's offense one bit.

Too much speed, power, technical ability and ring generalship.