Wlad Klitschko vs Jack Johnson

the skull? what about it? how is it different?

how is the skull of wlad different from the black man Jack Johnson, such that it helps his chin?

there is no significant muscles between chin and brain. come again?

increasing neck actual strength just means the skull absorbs more force, since the nect doesn't move to absorb force as much.

your chewing strength? how doeas being able to chew hard rewire the brain?

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON ABOUT HERE? how does cranial fluid volume around the brain differ significantly?

oh I see back to the same old line. Anyone who doesn't agree with you dosnthave a clue about anything. I suppose you'll be arguing for the existence of a bug eyed sphagetti god with that argument next.

true, but unrelated to weight divisions, so its redundant

 

all 5 orifices, good 4 u. but wrong forum.

 

HerolGee I hope you have a brain haemorrhage.

 

yep you do, its the only chance you have of winning an argument against me.

and even then it'll be touch and go. pucker up.

 

Thicker, larger, more cranial fluid. Are you really this stupid?

Haven't done an autopsy on them so I wouldn't know. Again, you are either willfully ignorant or your IQ is hanging out in the shady 80's, I am talking about general trends.

Factors of absorptive capacity in taking a punch to the chin or head are cranial fluid volume, general thickness of bone structure of the jaw and skull and vertebrae, muscles in the jaw and neck and shoulder… transference through the core muscles and stability musculature of the buttocks, legs and feet.

Again, have you ever punched a decent big heavyweight after spending years punching middleweights?

 

You may be entirely right and I have no issue with anyone saying so.

Who cares about sparring ? Only Mendoza who thinks it is significant and that is precisely my point ok?

 

What about the child bearing hips?

I've spotted the flaw in your argument!:yep

 

Assuming thats right -How much thicker is the skull of a man 30 pounds bigger?
Enough to produce a discernible effect in absorbing a punch to the chin?

Is it always thicker? NO, thickness of skull doesn't depend on your height. Freaking pygmies have thickened skull features. Short squat Neanderthals and historic man and proto-man had thicker skulls but were much shorter.

ARE YOU? This thread is about Wlad and Johnson, not a general trend.
Is there a general trend that taller people have thicker skulls? Really?

yeah same old. depends where you punch em. Now a tall HW has thepotential to defend themselves better against those punches to their lofty chins from a miniman, that is not disputed. But CHIN difference is insignificant. On a weak chin like Wlads, double so, especially when compared to Jack JOhnsons.

 

The NY times says Johnson was down and dazed and his manager had to call the affair to a halt. Gunboat Smith also said " he never forgot it " referring to Johnson.

I know this wasn't a title match you idiot. I have said many times it was a 4 rd exhibition match. What happened when GunBoat landed a good one? As I said before Gunboat could have been the best title opponent Johnson fought as he has wins over Moran and Willard, two men Johnson gave title shots to.

Johnson not avenging dubious draws ( O'Brien, and Jim Johnson ), and ducking the best out there as champion in Langford, Jeannette and McVey tells you all you need to know about the man. And they say Floyd Mayweather is risk adverse! Ha, he's not nothing on Johnson in that department.

 

The NY Times did not have a reporter there ,they posted an AP report. Johnson's manager wasn't there either, neither did the incident happen in the 4th rd as you say. I'll take Gunboat Smith's word over yours, in fact I'd take anyone's word over yours!

That's three out of three you've got wrong ,want to try for four?:hey

You've said many times it was an exhibition match quite so ,except you are also many times wrong, it was a sparring session. I'm not going over O Brien and Jim Johnson yet again, the first was not a draw it was a no decision, the second was a draw with the champion fighting for 7 rounds with a broken arm.

I've pulled you to bits so many times on this ,I can't be arsed to go down that route again.

P.S. Did Wlad avenge his ko losses to Purrity & Sanders?

Soppy Bollocks:nono

 

how do you avenge a non-loss?

where is the need for vengeance?

clutching at straws, man - esp defending wlad the guy who ran gibbering from abysymal journeyman/retiree loss rematches.

 

Simply prove to me the AP was wrong on the Smith. How the heck do you know their source was wrong? This was not a quick 1-2 sentence report by the NY Times. There was some detail to it.

As for Smith, fighters tend to exaggerate and Heller's book, which has some errors in it, took place decades after the event.

As for O'Brien, Primary sources say he out boxed a prime Jack Johnson!

As for Jim Battling, again he looks to have had Johnson in trouble. What was his record again

Now, lets extrapolate what the press would do to Wlad as champion if he was out boxed by middle, floored by another middle, and drew to a man with a journeyman record as champion.

The press would have field day on him, and you know it. Yet it happen to your papa Jack. Johnson gets a pass as few know the embarrassing details of how a heavyweight champion in his prime had this much trouble vs smaller men ( middles ), and men with journeymen records.

Johnson over Wlad? What a joke. Wlad would bust him up and knock him out, perhaps without losing more than 2 rounds.

If Chosynki at 170-175 pounds could knock Johnson out cold, and O'Brein at 160-170 could out jab him...Wlad's going to :bbb:bbb:bbb him with ease!

 

But Smith was not exaggerating, he was playing it down.:huh

You are the one ,the only one, blowing it up to be a tko.

How the hell can it be a tko in a sparring session?

Primary sources do not say O Brien outboxed Johnson, produce ONE that states if a decision had been rendered he would have been enttiled to the verdict!

Smith himself says the knockdown against Ketchel was a fake and most who have studied the film in slow motion would agree.

Johnson fought 7 of the ten rounds with Jim Johnson suffering with a broken arm, if he had quit like Vitali did, you would be crowing about it!
But he didn't, at 35, ring rusty ,[ he had been out of the ring for a year and a half ,] and over weight he toughed it out to get a draw, and ringside reports say he finished strong whilst his challenger was blowing .


Jim Johnson drew with Jeannette shortly after drawing with Johnson.

Jeannette was fully fit, why don't you castigate him for not beating him?

Jeannette also drew with him on another occasion and lost to him twice each time Jeannette had two good arms to fight with.

.Jim Johnson drew with Langford three times too, and gave McVey a tough battle to earn a draw .Here is a report of that fight.

"McVey opened in confident style, with the wide grin of one undertaking an easy task, but this smile faded after the second round, and he set himself for a grim, earnest fight with his quick and tricky oppenent. This Johnson is not only quick, but big and strong as well, and had all the best of the rough work. Sam seldom has had such hustling about. Once he stepped into a right punch that sent him reeling across the ring. It was as much as he could do to put a glove on the elusive Johnson. Johnson early realized that McVey's ripping left hook is his only effective attacking blow. Nine times out of ten he neatly stepped inside it or blocked it with his glove. His guard with his left arm straight out, after the fashion of the old-time champion Heenan, also worried McVey a good deal, for he found it very difficult to get past it."



These are the men you say Jack Johnson ducked, yet at 35 ,fighting with a broken arm he drew with the man who either beat or drew with them and in one case both .
Can you not see how ridiculous your stance is here?
Johnson scaled around the same weight as Choynski when he lost to him which was very early in his career.
Wlad WAS KO'D by two journeymen and one part time fighter.What do you mean if he had drawn with one?
You really need to significantly improve, and raise your game if you are ever to be taken even half seriously here.

BTW. I don't know why you are hysterically berating me ,I haven't even made a pick!!!!