Wlad nearing P4P #1

As long as Manuel Charr roams this earth Wlad cannot be P4P1

 

Ok pal. First of all it's a meaningless pound for pound debate (that I really shouldn't bother with anyway) and secondly why is it that all the small fighters are allowed to carry all of their skills and attributes when scaling up but HW's tools are written off in these dumb debates?



For the record Wlad is already #3 so if the events that the TS described happen, it is very possible that Ring will have WK #1.

 

Ring's ranking is trash.

I am imaging Wlad's skills scaled down. He still can't in fight, still panics when hit hard clean and still has a limited amount of effective punches. That jab and grab style wouldn't work aganst Pac.

Pac would be the worst fight for him possible. Haha.

Sanders memory anyone?

Go back and watch tape, study a little more about boxing before issuing such idiotic statements.

 

I also remember watching tape of Pacquiao getting drilled with right hands (one that put him to bed) and Wlad is pretty good at timing and throwing it. I can play that game too.

 

Has Pacquiao ever fought a tall rangy shredded fighter with a piston jab, fast left hook and a bomb of a right hand? He fought Margarito, Oscar and they were both slow by the time Pac got to them so it's unfair to say that Klitschko will resemble them in this fantasy fight. Klitschko already has better footwork, speed and better right hand than Margarito did at that time, nevermind a scaled down faster version. A lot of the reasons why people think Mayweather beats Pac apply to Klitschko. He can pot shot and defend himself very well.

 

This thread is not about just Pac being scaled up man. Its a general situation of basically everyone else being scaled up or Wlad being scaled down. Wlad as a welter for example, I just don't see him as being versatile enough to compete well. Too much speed, too much lateral movement, too much combination punching, too much inside fighting, too many good chins and good power punchers. From what we've seen of him, he wouldn't fare well if scaled down, and he can't come in with a 50 pound weight advantage. Yes he has a terrific jab, and yes he has a great straight right, but if he got put with guys his size with speed and footwork, guys will be able to take that away at smaller weights and he would get undressed.

 

No worries man. I'm just trying to defend myself from that other guy calling me an idiot and using Sanders as proof, when I can counter with a Marquez type of right hand....

 

lol I understand man, people on here just say crap, use no evidence, logic or ideology and turn a great debate into mudslinging and complete dogcrap, thats why I barely comment on things.

 

That people really pretend small fighters skills scale up perfectly to heavyweight or that large fighters would be capable of only what they do at heavyweight if they were a foot shorter and a hundred pounds lighter is hilarious.

It just doesn't work like that.

Using that logic, from a pure skills standpoint, there hasn't been a single career heavyweight that's been worthy of a top 50 P4P. Not Ali, not Louis, not anyone. Why? Because there's been too many great fighters from the lower weightclasses who are simply able to do more in a boxing ring than any pure heavyweight ever could from a skills perspective, and do it faster. That's just biology and physics.

Bottom line is this: Knock yourself out and rag on Wlad's P4P rating now, just be consistent in applying that same standard to other heavyweights when the time comes.

 

Yeah drilled with rights against a guy who's willing to get hit to land those right hands and has incredible timing, as well as other subtle skills that someone like Wlad doesn't have.

JMM has the chin to fight those kinds of fights. Has an uppercut, can work in close, has great stamina and so on.

This isn't even worth talking about. Pac is an A level fighter with quick feet, high activity, high accuracy and power and he swarms on guys he hurts - HW doesn't even have a good B level aside from Wlad.

 

The fact that you think Wlad's right hand is in anyway similar to JMM's, when JMM is an offensive counter puncher and utilizes it entirely different(that's not even arguing the difference in timing ability, which JMM times and tags much quicker and skilled opponents than a HW has to)shows why you need to give up on this argument.

JMM is unique in his ability to tag Pac like that with his right. No other fighter has been able to do it and a defensively minded fighter wouldn't be in position to throw that right hand like JMM has because they'd be in mind for Pac's own offense.

Scaling up/scaling down is definitely not a good logic, but if we do imagine it...

Sanders is comparable only in the way that we've seen a quick southpaw dismantle Wlad and haven't seen another aptly quick HW in the ring with him since.

Pac is not only that - but highly adaptable, versatile and strikes with shots and angles you don't see coming.

Wlad giving up some height and weight advantage is the end of him even at HW. If he was somehow scaled to a lower division, the height advantage would still be there, but now you have a crop of really skilled fighters with good chins and power to deal with and he's toast.

The guy is only P4P in the minds of deluded fans and rubbish publications like Ring Mag.

 

There is more chance of Lepai upsetting Wlad than there is Maidana upsetting Mayweather Jr.

 

Lol indeed.

 

^ Those guys all suck, we're assuming scaled down P4P fighting guys his own size of respectable ability.