Wlad on his best night vs Prime Joe Louis, assessed with your head, not y'r heart.

What offensive masters did Holmes test his defence against? Cooney, Shavers? An old Norton, who made it a very close fight? I don't think any of them were offensive master, but i think we can both agree that Holmes' defence was excellent.

Sultan launched enough attacks, it's just that he hardly managed to land them because Wlad stepped out of range. This is how he avoids getting hit most of the time and it is damn effective.

Well i never said Wlad was as great as Louis. I just said that i can't see him being down on the cards after 12 rounds with a 170 pounder.

 

You don't a lot of things and i wonder if you watch boxing at all. You didn't know that Don King fixed fights. You didn't know that Holyfield delt with life threating heart problems. You didn't know that He was basically having a heart attack in the Michael Moorer fight. You didn't know that Tyson grew weaker as the rounds went on ect. What do you know?

 

Louis weighed 190 LBS early in his career, get your facts straight. He is a small heavyweight reguardless and Klitschko has a huge size advantage.
Wladimir Klitscko standing 6'6 and weighing 240 LBS+, i don't think that 10 more pounds for Louis would make a big difference. The odds are too stacked against him here. The thread starter said to think with your head, and not with heart. I would love to see Louis win, but he wouldn't. He would be stopped in less than 5 rounds. Either of the Klitschko's would be too much in that era. Being that huge is bad enough, but they are also skillful boxer punchers with pretty good defence.

 

Louis is a lot better than Ray Austin but honestly, i see the same result. Klitschko is simply too big and Louis would have to overcome a huge size, reach, strength, and even power disadvantage. He is just flat footed and he didn't have great head movement as well. You can say that he was tailor made for guy like Klitschko. He gets overwelmed in this one. I don't think that people should take anything from the Ibragimov fight. Ibragimov is a completly different fighter than Louis was and he is also a slicksouthpaw. Wladimir didn't use his right hand much in fear of being counter with a right hook. That has nothing to do with this fight because Louis was orthodox, flat footed, and he is not as fast on his feet as Sultan.

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Louis/Scemlling 1.

Louis shows vulnerabilities to jabs and right hand counters. He knocked Max out in the first round of their rematch but he continued to do this throughout his career. He has always had that habbit of keeping his left hand down after he would throw and Klitschko is fast enough to take advantage of that.I see Wladimir easily find Joe with his long left jab and his right hands is what would be too much for him. He would nullify Joe's game by keeping him at the end of his punches and easily tying up on the inside, as he is the much bigger man so he wouldn't have a problem. Joe was tough, but he wouldn't even make it too the middle rounds taking that punch flush. He was always knocked down early in fights because he was a slow starter.

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Youtube didn't have the Louis/Carnera fight but that fight showed that Louis was a good counter puncher and could counter with the right hand well. Davarl Williamson was able to put Wladimir on the seat of his trunks with a counter right. If Wladimir came in over confident, then he could definately get caught as he has already showed that he can't take a punch.

 

This is not a hard fight to analize.

Louis has power in both hands, fast hands, slow feet and is a small heavyweight. He was best at inviting people in and then stunning them with said fast hands. He had a tendeny to bring the left hand back below his chin after jabbing. Great accuracy.

Wlad has a reach advantage, height advantage, a below average heart and stamina, and a dominating jab. He usually fights laterally or going backward, using his jab well to offset his slightly awkward footwork. Has tremendous power.

While it is impossible to predict any match for sure, Klitschko has a tremendous stylistic advantage here. He would not come forward and oblige Louis, and Louis, with his plodding style, would not be fast of foot enough for Wlad to have to do anything different from usual. Louis would have trouble getting his offense going against the taller man, and he would be peppered with heavy jabs and sparing rights.

I see a midrounds knockout for Klitscko.

Wlad is susceptible to durable brawlers with fast hands, preferably with head movement. Louis was not that, he was a calculating, thinking powerpuncher who was often knocked down early.

I would give Tyson the nod to spark Wlad within six rounds, as he is the prototype to beat him, while I´d also make Tua, Bowe, Foreman and Frazier a favorite, among others.

 

Below is actually what you said

All of a sudden it's changed from at his best to "early in his career".

Get myfacts straight?

:hi:

 

I asked you to prove your convictions that Don King rigged the Witherspoon fight. You failed, miserably - as usual. Now i've read loads on the topic, and learned from others in here. I was hoping no-one would chime in and help you out thinking i was totally against the notion as i wanted to see what you could provide. Which was nothing.

Did i actually say anywhere he didn't?

"Basically" being your bail out of course.

Again you put words in peoples mouths. That is not even close to what i said. Your reading comprehension is terrible.

 

Peak Joe Louis weighed around the early 200s but he weighed 190lbs when he was an up and coming prospect. Do you really think that 10 little pounds would help him against a giant boxer/puncher that is 6'6 240LBS+?

 

That's not the point - the point is you were yet again talking absolute shyte :good

Have a bit of respect for the great Joe Louis, a man not only with a great record on paper but one whose frightening power and abilities can readily be seen on film :good

 

Again, watch boxing and read up on your history. As soon as Smith knocked Witherspoon down, he was clearly ready to continue and the referee stopped the fight for no reason. Look at Lewis/MCalll, Chavez/Taylor, Tyson/Ruddock I, Witherspoon/Smith ect. Don King is known for doing these things.

what are you going to do now? Offer me money if i proved you wrong the way you did the last time? LOL

 

Wow, i make one little typo and you jump all over it, you seem desperate to jump on my case for anything at all. Thats a sign of a desperate poster. You also can't have a debate without posting those damn smilieys.


:verysad I have Louis as the second greatest heavyweight of all time and i wouldn't disagree if someone put him at number 1. The man was brilliant.

 

Actually Louis was 6'2 and weighed 200-207lb at his best.

 

I think this fight would resemble louis-B baer II

 

Watch America's hero betrayed. He said himself that he was 6'1 and i just said that peak Louis weighed in the early 200s when he was at his peak. It was a typo.

 

Unless Vlad has not had his best night yet I can not see him beating Joe Louis, dont get me wrong but his Jab would trouble Joe and his right hand would be No Joke, Vlad has the best offence since Lennox Lewis and Lewis had one of the best Offences. Trouble with both of these men vs Joe especially Vlad is the Joe would have answers and his answer have a Period Mark after them. Vlad can not only rely of the jab, Joe was a master at throwing a right hand over the jab, fast and strait to the point also the savage body shots that Joe land would mess up Vlads defense. Vlad could drop Joe early but he would not take needless chances like he did with Buddy Baer. Joes Jab would be a problem, his power combo's would also and his body work...Anything can happen in boxing but overall it looks to me that the Brown Bomber will prevail