Wlad on his best night vs Prime Joe Louis, assessed with your head, not y'r heart.

Louis ,s management far from being connected with MSG were allied with Mike Jacobs of the Twentieth Century Boxing Club,which was in direct opposition to Msg whch was controlled by Jimmy Johnstone.It is a well known fact that the first Pastor Louis fight was a power play between the two rival promoters.Pastor promoted by Johnstone ,ran backwards all night,and lost a unanimous dec.It became known as "Bobs Bicycle Act",Louis didnt look good but Pastor who butted Louis and thumbed him looked worse.Louiskod Pastor without any trouble in the return ,dropping him 4 times in the 1 srt round alone.Louis kod plenty of clever boxers ,including Lee Ramage twice,Conn twice,and Nova.The decisions in Louis,s title fights aaginst Walcott and Godoy were split,,Walcott may have deserved the verdict ,but I havent read anything that casts aspersions on Donovan till your post.
Donovan was only required to give his score 3 times in Louis title defences,have you a source for your accusation?Louis defended in MSG 8 times out of 25,not a lot when you consider it was the premier arena in the USA.John Roxborough ,Louis,s co manager did a short prison term for numbers running ,this was before he met Louis and before he managed or was connected to boxers.

 

Wlad? China Chin? Ha! Louis has been knocked down a lot more than Wlad. Wlads chin isnt the best, but He keeps getting back up. He demonstrated this is in the Sanders and Peter fights. I think that if he fights the way he has been, he decisions Joe. But if he is letting go right hands, he can stop Joe.

 

Louis was knocked out by Schmeling a hard right hand puncher and a Heavyweight Champion,and by Rocky Marciano when he was old,his chin is underated imo.

 

I would say criminaly underated is nearer to the mark.

Fighters generaly start getting knocked down when they step up in competition as Wlad found out.

An incredible half of Joe Louis's profesional fights were against fighters curently ranked in the top ten.

That is an awfull lot of chin checking and you would expect to see some tangible results for it.

 

No argument from me Janitor!

 

Wlad has never been seriously hurt, unlike Louis, though. The punches Sam Peter landed flush on Wlad didn't hurt him. The punches Brewster landed flush didn't hurt him. He got up how many times against those two? Was he ever close to being knocked out? No. When Louis went down, it was because he was knocked down - Wlad seems to go down because he crumbles under the pressure.

I don't think Louis ever went down a from a punch that would of knocked Wlad out cold. However, if Louis took a clean punch of Brewster or Peter, like Wlad did, he would have been knocked out cold.

 

And he also fought bigger punchers.

Wlad has never been counted out. Only TKO'd. Louis was coutned out twice.

Review what your wrote. Peter and Brewster landed some hard stuff. I'm not sure if Louis could have reacted better on those same shots. Peter landed a flush hook in roudn three, and some hard stuff in round ten. Brewster landed soem ahrd body shots and hooks.

Ok.

Baer sucked vs Louis and hardly landed anything serious. What punch are you talking about and when. If its on you tube, we can judge.

I've seen Louis stunned by light hitters such as Tommy Farr and Billy Conn. Wlad has never stunned by weaker punchers, Louis has. I'd say their chins are pretty close. Wlad seems to take a better punch, Louis seems to recover faster. IMO, Wlad is harder to hit.

 

You keep banging on about Wlad being knocked out - He hasn't. Have you ever seen his eyes glazed over? Have you ever seen hi physically incapable of getting up? Have you ever seen him lose conciousness? No.

There is a massive difference between being knocked down and stopped, and knocked out. Wlad has never been knocked out. Simple as that.

I don't think Wlad's chin is that bad. I made a post a while ago analysing the Peter fight. In that, I noted that the two punches Wlad went down from were illegal rabbit punches. The other knock down was from a decent punch shortly after another illegal blow. However, if you lwatch the film, you see Wlad take some really good punches. Ones harder than Baer landed on Louis, probably. Like I said, Wlad's problems are mental.

(By the way, the Max Baer fight slipped my mind when I was writing the above post. I think he hits as hard as Brewster and just a bit less than Peter. However, I don't think Louis took a punch from Baer as clean as Klitschko did from either Brewster or Peter.)

 

Its not his fault ,but Wlads competiton is mediocre,a big fish in a little pond.Peter looks like someone from a novice tournament,he doesnt allways punch correctly ,especially with his right ,has surplus around his middle and blows like a whale.Mcline ,who has never been classed a big hitter had him on ***** street three times,but reverted to his tentative ways and let him off the hook.Ibragimov was a disgrace",happy to be here night."A primeTyson would have dismantled both of them .

 

Wlad has a very weak chin, he has been knockdown 11 times, but mostly journeymen and 2nd tier Heavyweights, Panell, Brewster, Peter, Williams, Sanders, and Purrity, he has been TKO'd by two journeymen and a club fighter. Wlad is afraid to go punch for punch with his oppenents, this is clear to anyone who has watched Wlad for the past 7 or 8 years like I have, he is mentally weak and would easily exposed by ATG Heavyweight like Louis. Wlad has been rocked by punches that most decent Heavyweights walk through, take Brewster catching Wlad with a straight left that had little to no power behind, which ended up buckling his legs, and made him hold on for dear life, even Roy Jones had a good laugh at how weak Wlads chin is while he was commentating that night.

Wlad cant take a punch for ****, his stats prove this, Louis would not only beat him, but easily knock him out in under 3 rounds. Once Louis got on the inside of Wlad, the fight would be over, Wlad has zero inside fighting ability, once Wlad tries to clinch I see Louis stepping to the side and connecting with his signature 6 inch punch, which will send Wlad into one of his famous panic attacks, and eventually allowing Louis to finish his man off with well timed and accurate punching.

 

You make some good points, but I wouldn't call Sanders or Brewster Journeyman, and Purity, while being limited in talent, was a potentially dangerous test for a young prospect who was unsuspecting. I would also pick Louis to win this fight, but let's not forget that he was floored by a number of fighters such as an old Braddock who hadn't fought in two years, Tony Galento, and a number of others. The knockdown stats are not enough to give one man the edge over the other. I think Louis had the type of killer instincts that Wlad never had, along with an incredible arsenal far superior to any Wlad has ever faced. My biggest problem with Klitschko is his inability to ragain his composure after being hurt. I'd always have doubts about such a fighter going in with Joe Louis, as there are few to none who would make it through a fight with him totally unscathed.