Wlad on his best night vs Prime Joe Louis, assessed with your head, not y'r heart.

Fair post Magoo, although i would like to add that he has been able to regain composure after being hurt in his later fights. The Sam Peter fight for instance. I don't think he really got hurt in any fight after that though, so it is a bit of a question mark indeed.

 

Fair enough, but you must remember Brewster was coming off of a 15 or 16 month layoff coming into that fight, and had losses against guys like Shufford and Eitenne, the Eitenne I watched live in Pittsburgh, great fight, a war if you will. So Brewster was a journeymen in a sense, Sanders I dont know know a whole lot about, other than his loss to Rahman, Purrity had a record that wouldnt even allow him to be put in Louis' bum of the month club.

I feel the fight itswlf would be over in less than 6, but probably be over in under 3, Wlad does nothing on the inside, aside from clinching, this is where Louis could get alot of his work done, and possibly set up for a accurate well timed punch that Louis was so famous for, if Wlad gets caught with anything decent he will go into a panic attack and the fight will be over that round IMO, the only chance Wlad has is to try to keep Louis at the end of his jab and time with a huge straight right, but Louis is a superior boxer and will find away around Wlads jab and grab fighting style, and when he does the fight will soon be over.

 

True. He did show that he could maintain control of the fight and win against Peter.

 

2 simple questions:

1) What single punch was Joe Louis troubled the most by?

2) What's Wlad's most dangerous punch?


Thinking Wlad would win isn't that big a blasphemy as it's made out to be. Both fighters hit hard enough to, at the very least, TKO the other.

 

I disagree.

while both men have approximately the same number of knockdowns Louis's are distributed over a larger number of fights, a higher pertentage of which were against ranked contenders.

Was Louis ever knocked down by anybody who was not curently ranked in the top 10 for example?

How many knockdowns would Wlad sustain if he fought every month over the course of a year and most of those fights were against fighters curently ranked in the top 10?

If Louis never suffered a Sanders style knockout it certainly wasnt for want of giving qualified challengers the chance to pull one off.

 

You've gone awfully quiet slick?

 

They were ranked because the era was low on talent. Their ring records were spotty, and some of them were close to .500 or less in their last few fights.

But who were the opponents and how many of them were good punchers? Not too many. For my money, Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis fought better punchers than Louis did.

Chris Byrd would be considered a big heavy....heavier than Louis. I crack up when historians say Byrd was too small, then say fighters of the past were not. Its a double standard.

Yes he did. He only fought two black men in 26 title defenses. This is using the color line.

Someone has to be the #1 rated contender. It does not mean he is a good #1 contender. Some of the #1 rated guys Louis fought would not rate 1,2 or 3 in era where the competition was better.

Which Linear champion was stunned on film by a light hitting heavyweight?

Braddock was coming off a 2 year lay off, and was by no means a puncher. Him knocking Louis down is embarrassing for Louis.

Wlad is too good of a boxer to be controversial on the judges’ cards.

And modern day heavies face bigger and stronger opponents’ in general. This means the puncher’s chance of being knocked down is greater today than it was then. Not all old timers had a lack of amateur backgrounds. And some modern ranked heavies have limited amateur backgrounds too.

Agreed.

Agreed. And Wlad didn't fight many tomato can's either. If a tomato can is defined as a fighter with a losing record, Louis fought more of them than Wlad did.

 

Braddock had 46 wins and 26 kos,he was a decent hitter with his right.

 

Possibly, but I think its reasonably fair to say that he wasn't a particularly big puncher. What's more, this wasn't a prime Braddock who fought Louis anyway. Now, after watching him deck Louis on film, it is clear to me that Louis wasn't really hurt. I think it was a flash knockdown probably caused by Louis's carelessness more than anything else. Still, it showed that Joe was prone to being floored occassionally, and it didn't always take a knockout artist to turn the trick.

 

Braddock said he hit Louis on the chest,Louis said in his auto biography"My Life","it was a short right uppercut to my chin.Down I went.I said to myself,what the hell am I doing here?I was hurt ,but I bounced right up.Blackburn told me later I should have stayed down,to take advantage of the count.But I guess I was in a hurry.I just got up and went at it.My head was clear,not like when Schmeling hit me."