WLAD OR HOPKINS?! who is the better fighter today???

PH|LLA · Feb 14, 2008

Mendoza said:

Skill wise, Wlad can be in the top 10 p4p. Who has a better jab, hook, or cross? Not too many fighters.

But Wlad is 245 pounds, which is double the weight of a skilled feather weight, so he has to be twice as good.....pound for pound to rate.

I'd just assume leaving heavies off the pound for pound list, and call them the kings of the ring in the unlimited or below weight classes.

One of the best pound for pound fighter is Paqucio. He'd last less than two rounds vs Wlad. It would be a dangerous mismatch.

Speaking of Hopkins, he has some p4p goodwill left in him. Once Calzaghe pastes him, I think he's the #1 p4p fighter in boxing.

Mayweather needs to fight a highly ranked young natural welter or jr middle.
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I really disagree with you. The point of pound for pound is to say "relative to his weightclass, who is the better fighter"

Of course a heavyweight will have more power and a featherweight will have more speed, but the question is "relative to his weightclass, who is the better of the two"

I think most people understood this. The question of the thread can be read as "Is Wlad a better heavyweight than Hopkins is a light heavyweight?"

thats what p4p is all about buddy

Shpion · Feb 14, 2008

Pharaoh said:

I really disagree with you. The point of pound for pound is to say "relative to his weightclass, who is the better fighter"

Of course a heavyweight will have more power and a featherweight will have more speed, but the question is "relative to his weightclass, who is the better of the two"

I think most people understood this. The question of the thread can be read as "Is Wlad a better heavyweight than Hopkins is a light heavyweight?"

thats what p4p is all about buddy
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I rather doubt your explanation. Otherwise what is for example "fishnets" doing ranked way above WK. In addition, fighters below HW tend to move up or down weight classes.

PH|LLA · Feb 14, 2008

Shpion said:

I rather doubt your explanation. Otherwise what is for example "fishnets" doing ranked way above WK. In addition, any fighter below HW tend to move up or down weight classes.
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as a fighter moves up in weightclass, his pound for pound status often goes down. For example, Floyd was better pound for pound at 130 than at 147, but he is still ranked first because people still think he is better at 147 than everyone else is in their respective weightclass.

anyone who ranks Oscar above Wlad on a p4p list doesn't understand the concept of p4p, or at least they don't have the same understanding of it as i do. (which is the right understanding btw )

There might be a small exception among heavyweights because their weightclass covers such a large range of weights. In the sense that a 200lb heavyweight might be a better boxer than a 300lb heavyweight but still lose based simply on size. But really Wlad is 240 and fighting guys who are 220-240 in general so his weight is not really that big an issue, though i would understand if someone made an issue of it.

Shpion · Feb 14, 2008

Pharaoh said:

as a fighter moves up in weightclass, his pound for pound status often goes down. For example, Floyd was better at 130 than at 147, but he is still ranked first because people still think he is better at 147 than everyone else.

anyone who ranks Oscar above Wlad on a p4p list doesn't understand the concept of p4p, or at least they don't have the same understanding of it as i do. (which is the right understanding btw)

There might be a small exception among heavyweights because their weightclass covers such a large range of weights. In the sense that a 200lb heavyweight might be a better boxer than a 300lb heavyweight but still lose based simply on size. But really Wlad is 240 and fighting guys who are 220-240 in general so his weight is not really that big an advantage
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You might want to contact ESPN and The Ring, because they are obviously on a different page than you are, and that is not only concerning fishnets.

PH|LLA · Feb 14, 2008

Tyson was considered by many p4p the best fighter in the world at some point.

Punisher33 · Feb 14, 2008

Pharaoh said:

Tyson was considered by many p4p the best fighter in the world at some point.
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Yep, Tyson was number one in 88 and 89 I think. Wlad is not on Tyson level, not even close IMO. Hopkins is more skilled fighter still I think, his competition is just tougher, which might give some people the impression that Wlads more dominant, even though he's been laying out stiffs lately.

RICH · Feb 14, 2008

Come On B-hop All The Way. You Gotta Be Kidding Me.
Vlad Aint Do Anything Compared To Hopkins.
B- HOP NEVER QUIT.

Rilz · Feb 14, 2008

i will go with wlad, because whether they admit i or not EVERYONE is scared of him. Both are very good technical fighters with Wlad having the offenive edge and B-Hophaving the defensive. Prime for prime I say BHop, but right now Wlad for sure.

Rock0052 · Feb 14, 2008

P4P, It's not close. Wlad is the much better fighter. I wouldn't pick the Hopkins today over everyone at 168 or 160, let alone his own weight class. There's not a long list of Heavyweights I'd even pick to go the distance vs Wlad.

Punisher33 · Feb 14, 2008

Wlad is the one-eyed king in the land of the blind, when considering the landscape of the Heavyweight division. Hopkins defeated good, top notch oppenents like Tarver and Winky, while Wlads beats nobodys like Austin and a one-eyed Brewster.

RealIzm · Feb 14, 2008

Great comparison....One dominates his division, the other hasnt done **** in years and is a shell of his former self...Hopkins isnt much different from Sven Ottke...Now who wins that fight in Germany??

RUSKULL · Feb 14, 2008

BigBone said:

This is a stupid question. HW division is in no-mans land and Hopkins - old or not old - has just fought P4P#3 Winky, Antonio Tarver before that and he's a top2-4 p4p today while Wlad MIGHT join the p4p20 if he unifies at least 2 titles.

Who's the better fighter? Wlad would easily lose to to Lennox or his bro' Vitali... and even Lennox wasn't beating top3 P4P-ers. Why? There wasn't any at HW, that's why.

Wlad is very good but you can't compare him to the top20 p4p unless he proves how good he is against elite opposition. Unfortunately the elite opposition is HW is nowhere to the A+ level of the MW, SMW, LHW division so that's why he has to beat some champs to prove what we already know: he's a hell of a fighter. But we know that about Gamboa and Linares and they aren't on our p4p lists as they need to win huge fights.
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Wlad vs. Lewis is a 50-50% fight IMO and I'm a fan of both.

RUSKULL · Feb 14, 2008

Shpion said:

I am not sure what you mean by a better fighter. Are you talking in terms of skill, entertainment, competition, etc.?

You said Vlad is benefiting from a depleted division, it is debatble. Well, BH is in LHW division that is much worse than the HW, at least in my view. I actualy think LHW division is the worst one, today. While BH possesses great skill, he is an extremely dirty and extremely boring fighter with advanced age. I would like to remind everybody that he had 1 Ko victory in the past 5 years over a blown up DLH.
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Exactly. The Heavyweights are alive & well. Plenty of styles, sizes, shapes & colors to choose from. There are many good fights to be made and finally the best are fighting the best. What more could you want?

RUSKULL · Feb 14, 2008

Punisher33 said:

Yep, Tyson was number one in 88 and 89 I think. Wlad is not on Tyson level, not even close IMO. Hopkins is more skilled fighter still I think, his competition is just tougher, which might give some people the impression that Wlads more dominant, even though he's been laying out stiffs lately.
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"Stiffs" by who's definition? Yours?

RUSKULL · Feb 14, 2008

RICH said:

Come On B-hop All The Way. You Gotta Be Kidding Me.
Vlad Aint Do Anything Compared To Hopkins.
B- HOP NEVER QUIT.
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When did Wlad quit dumbass?

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