Wlad P4P material? Hell No! Never was.

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  1. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    People see it differently and I have outlined my views when speaking of hypothetical P4P. I.E., scaling while retaining.

    I would never include Ortiz or Vlad on a P4P list. In Ortiz's case it's because of his lack of opposition sample size. In Vlad's case, because he is fundamentally a flawed fighter whose flaws are hidden by his size advantage.
    Even Vlad's size advantage, and you have the results of Fury-Vlad. :yep
     
  2. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yep and Shaq was always a below average Basketball player? If we take away his size he'd never have made it into the NBA? Yes that's how dumb your logic is :rofl:rofl
     
  3. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Actually, what it shows is your failure to comprehend the differences between boxing and basketball. :lol:

    Let me reduce this down to your intelligence level.
    Suppose you scale an Ant up to the size of a dog.
    In a contest which would win, the dog or the ant considering that an ant can lift up to 20x its size and has an exoskeleton?
     
  4. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'll break it down for you: If all Wlad had was his size, then why was he more successfull than guys who were TALLER than him? Why did guys like Nicolai Valuev, Julius Long, Henry Akinwande -- all who were taller than Wlad -- not have HOF worth careers like Wlad did?

    Why is that? You claim Wlad's only asset was his size. If it was that simple then guys taller than him should have done BETTER than Wlad. Yet the evidence speaks to the contrary.
     
  5. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't even think relatively light Wilder at 215 light makes any P4P list, even at punching power category, let alone Wlad...Heavyweight is still an unchallenged division, an opportunity rich division, it didn't get the evolutionary push yet (If $ is pushed on recruiting talent), within few years the Top 10, will be 90"+ reach & Robust built will be the next advantage.

    An alternative way to to push Heavyweights into the P4P category is to make 220 a Heavyweight limit & the Super Heavyweights at 220+, the historical prestige of Heavyweight will retain talent & more focus will be made on making sure every ounce of the 220 lbs counts
     
  6. ki_ote

    ki_ote Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That was before the "Laws of Steward".
     
  7. ki_ote

    ki_ote Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oh yeah, and 53 KO's in 64 wins. He might just hit pretty effing hard.
     
  8. ki_ote

    ki_ote Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oh snap!
    Well of course not. That's a different situation, Lennox was only 6'5".
     
  9. lepinthehood

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    A good biggun will always beat a good little un.

    that was a nice hook to the side of the jaw.

    Tyson Fury after smashing Steve USS Cunningham
     
  10. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This makes prefect sense to me, and not only sensible, but fair.

    However, it won't happen until someone involved in a mismatch between a HW and SHW and gets hurt.
    It seems to me that there are some who Roid themselves into existence becoming giants who aren't satisfied with just drug cheating, but want to unlevel the playing field with every advantage they can get.
     
  11. turnip

    turnip Boxing Addict Full Member

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    P4P fighters don't surrender title's with a whimper.
     
  12. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    :lol: Yeah. Mentality is as important as physical attributes
     
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    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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  14. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Being a big Klitschko fan I openly acknowledge that his size advantage was one of his main, game-changing assets

    Being a tremendously trained and fit, highly disciplined, focused and powerful punching fighter, obviously work to his benefit


    But his inability to develop an inside game was prevented from becoming aa detrimental of a factor as it would be a normal sized fighter, due to his size advantage He learned to keep the opponent on the outside where they could not reach him, and he could take them apart with his power

    That's why the rematch will be so interesting; he will finally have to deal with (again) a profound disadvantage he has never faced before; that of size and reach


    The first fight he seemed lost on how to deal with fury size advantage and now he knows what he is facing and we'll see if he can alter his style to adjust accordingly and Will his adjustment to be effective ???
     
  15. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Russia propagated the myth that, Steroids do not affect the brain.
    So why the need for so many prescribed Serotonin inhibitors in Russia, the world's largest consumer of the Antidepressant? :huh