Wlad-Povetkin is NOT going to be a walk over.

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  1. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Funny how Chambers gets trashed on this site as a feather fisted no hoper and then he fights Povetkin and suddenly the trash talking seems to die down.

    Is Chambers several levels below Wladimir Klitschko? If he is then Povetkin has little hope in a fight with Klitschko.

    Wlad will give more than what Chambers gave and that's not good news for Povetkin.
     
  2. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was just thinking:


    Can you imagine if Wlad retires with this resume?:


    2008: Sultan Ibragimov
    2008: Tony Thompson
    2008: Alex Povekin
    2009: Ruslan Chagaev
    2009: David Haye
    2010: Shannon Briggs (tune up)
    2010: John Ruiz
    2011: Alex Dimitrenko

    Wlad would retire at 35 (nearly 36) with a great record.
     
  3. fcu1

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    Theoreticly Haye should have a punchers chance versus Wlad, although it remains to be seen how big an impact his punches make at the heavyweight division. I am not convinced about Haye's heart, based on what I've seen I seriously doubt whether he can dig deep when it really matters.
     
  4. fcu1

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    Styles make fights. Most people on here seem to have only seen Povetkin vs Byrd (6'0") and Povetkin vs Chambers (6'1"). Both are hard to hit and are awkward to fight against. Most impotantly they are both smaller than Povetkin. Povetkin's biggest punch is the overhand right which is most effective against taller opponents. He showed that for instance in his fight vs Bostice and L'Hereux. Both are 6'5" and in both fights he slipped a jab and hammered in his overhand right which led to the stoppage wins. Of course Bostice and L'Heureux are a lot worse than Klitschko, the principle however stays the same: slip the jab, followed by the overhand right.

    The way Klitschko fights is a bit like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. When you let Klitschko do his thing he looks almost unbeatable, behind his long jab and his big right hand. However as soon as he gets hit properly he loses his composure right away and it looks like he panics. His aura of invinciblity vanishes almost instantly and at once he looks very beatable. What Povetkin should try to do early on is slip several jabs and whack in the overhand right. If Povetkin succeeds at this, his high workrate and constant pressure can keep Klitschko on the back foot where he is least dangerous and basicly not looking so good. Imo Povetkin has the tools to beat Klitschko, I give him the edge over Klitschko in workrate, stamina and in the mental department. He is the fresher and hungrier fighter who has a good chance of pulling an upset.
     
  5. Canadianfan

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    I see the Povetkin fight going like this. The smaller Povetkin comes in hoping to win the fight on points. He is busy for the first two rounds not really landing anything meaningful. Wlad pumps the jab for the first four rounds. Povetkin keeps getting hit and his workrate slows. Round five comes Wlad starts landing his big right. Round 6 knock out for Wlad.
     
  6. 11player

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    Povetkin will put on a tough fight against Wlad, no doubt about it, but his lack of defensive skills will prevent him from having a legit chance at winning.

    He should go to the US and train under some defensive ace trainer, someone like the Maywheathers or something, that may improve his chances.
     
  7. 11player

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    I think this resume would be way better:

    2008: Ibragimov
    2008: Thompson
    2008: Povetkin
    2009: Chagaev
    2009: Haye
    2009: Peter/Gomes/Virchis
    2010: Valuev
    2010: Dimitrenko
    2010: Solis/Arreola
    2011: Boytsov/Kretschmann/Koeber/Yoan Pablo Hernandez
    2011: Michael Hunter/Timurziev/Romanchuk/Camarelle

    If he could win these 10 more fights he would put his name right at the top of history with the likes of Ali, Lennox Lewis and Tyson.
     
  8. Sputnik44

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    I think Wlad could honestly fight for 6 or 7 years comfortably...
     
  9. Feiti

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    I think Wlad would win handily, because from what I´ve seen from Povetkin, his defense is not that good. I think Wlad´s jab will find him and eventually the right hands will follow.

    I saw his fight agains Chambers and felt Chambers usually got in the cleaner punches and might even have a case for having won the fight. Povetkin may have been sick, so maybe it´s not right to jump to conclusions from that fight, but from clips of Povetkin´s other fights, he seemed to be open a lot of the time when he was on the attack. I believe Wlad will take full advantage of it.
     
  10. Maxmomer

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    I think if Povetkin goes after Wlad like he did Chambers he'll get his ass knocked out. He can't throw that many punches without lending your opponent oprotunities to counter. IMO, Wlad by KO in 8.
     
  11. Maxmomer

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    Is that supposed to be a joke? I don't recall the exact punch stats, but after the first three rounds or so Chambers started throwing maybe 15 punches a round to Povetkin's 80. He would go for minutes at a time literally doing nothing, just hiding behind his guard.
     
  12. ralphc

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    This is analysis has been made by somebody who doesn't know boxing. To assess the potential of fighters one must compare their respective styles. As it happens there are certain similarities between Klitschko and Povetkin insofar as both of them incorporate the basic elements of that straight up, and straight ahead, European style. From Klitschko's point of view he has a victim ready made because Povetkin is going to come straight at him. Get the videos and look at his fights. Klitschko won't snap the jab nor unleash the straight right unless an opponent his right in front of him and within striking distance. That is exactly where Povetkin is going to be because he is accustomed to walking straight ahead while windmilling shots. Klitschko has the height and reach advantage and enough firepower to knockout anybody in the division. Unless Povetkin makes some serious improvents to his style, Klitschko is going to send him home on a stretcher.
     
  13. ralphc

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    Good analysis. The problem is Povetkin wastes too much time doing this silly-ass European boxing. I have a bad feeling that his incompetent trainer will try to improve those sort of skills which will be useless against Klitschko. He can get away with it against that fat slob Patrice L'Heureux, but Klitshcko is boxing at a completely different level. If Povetkin tries to out box Klitschko he will lose. Like you I believe that Povetkin can beat Klitschko, but he will have to learn how to attack Klitschko without getting hit. These damn fool European coaches have no idea how to train a short slugger.
     
  14. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    Actually, I simply disagree with you.

    You asertion that Wladdy has the firepower to knock out anybody is ridiculous when he lost fights by trying and gassing himself out. Not could he get Peter out of there depsite the fact that Peter is not exactly light on his feet.

    I re-state: we do not know that Povetkin is going to crumble when he takes Wlad's shots. In a fabled amatuer career, an excellent kick-boxing career, and a short pro career, his chin has never failed him before.

    With all due respect to you, this is exaclty one of the points that I carefully refuted in the first place. I take it that you are a Klit fan?
     
  15. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:

    Read my posts.