Wlad v Dempsey

We have a record and footage of a 180-190 pound Dempsey. That is who showed up in the ring during Dempsey's prime and all that I can judge upon.

 

"a record and footage of a 180-190 pound Dempsey"

From the 1920's.

It is entirely fantasy to take him out of that time.

I guess I am not into evaluating on h2h.

 

God that was moving .I'm in floods of tears here.:boohoo:crybaby
Don't mess with B B. He da Man!:bbb:vonnecunt:fight:boxx

 

Yeah, it's a total load of ****.

Don't know why I keep getting drawn into these discussions. It would be a far more interesting forum to actually discuss historical fact or rumor or anecdote rather than supposition....

 

That is what actually interests me,

but I certainly don't say it has to interest anyone else.

 

M, you joined the fray in the midst of a fist fight, not knowing the origin of
what this thread is all about...Sorry if I seemed harsh on you, but better for you to have learned a bit more of what has made this a very touchy subject on this forum...And then joined the fray...Since I was a young fellow in the 1940s, Jack Dempsey was considered by those that saw him at his best, one of the toughest and most destructive heavyweights ever.
But 75 years later on this site, a nest of revisionists have tarnished his
legacy so severely that I who have spoken to many contemporaries of
Dempsey, who saw him fight and raved about him, feel that I must not
remain mute whilst they wrongly demean him ...I will continue to do so
til I can , for the historic truth must prevail...Take care sir !

 

The only revisionists are the ones who have rewritten Dempsey's story to make him an 8 year old fighting men while he was starving and homeless. Or a hapless rube who was manipulated by others into avoiding his top challenger for 7 years. Or a fearless mankiller who cut a swath through the sport during his tenure as champion. Or a guy who was universally adored and could do no wrong while champion. All of these things are untrue.

 

I don't want to get in a shooting match with you K, but suffice it to say the
vast majority of writers, boxers, trainers of the 1920s who saw Jack Dempsey fight, who wrote about his talents and held him as a fighter in such high regard, were somehow less informed than today's naysayers,
90 or so years later ? I don't buy that...I had [til Hurricane Sandy], and still
have some old boxing magazines from the 1920s, extolling the terrific
offense that was Dempsey at his best...Were they somehow to the man,
duped by a Svengali hypnotist or press agent CONNING into making
a hapless Dempsey into a great heavyweight fighter, or did their own
EYES convey to these ringside witnesses, what they witnessed before
them.? My dad, a hardnosed guy saw Dempsey train a few times, and
would tell me of his swift viciousness on the attack. Was my dad smoking
propaganda.? Hell know...I respect you as a writer, and I feel strongly that
I have a sense of what Dempsey brought to the plate H2H...I am not
gullible...:good

 

I read a autobiography a long time ago written by Dempsey and it made an impression on me. From a very young age he wanted to be the next John L. Sullivan and that was his goal as a very young man. In his teens he fought in coal mining towns against old, tougher guy and a lot of times undernourished and used to ride on the undercarriage of the freight trains

I am not saying it is all true and it was actually on this forum where I saw a bit of the other side in regards to him. Still Dempsey was a bad-guy hero of sorts, mean spirited like a Duran- Tyson type before their day. He was inactive once he became a super-star and should have fought Wills but not sure that was all his fault because he did sign, He fought the Greb conqueror Tunney over Greb and that did not work out so well despite the long count

I do not underrate Wlad I said he would be a very hard guy to beat, certain styles may be better suited and Dempsey may fall into that category but hard to mingle the decades other than speculation for fun

 

You may not be particularly high on Dempsey, but, from demolishing Fulton, to outpointing Gibbons, to outhustling Sharkey; it wasn't a bad run at all.

Today the danger seems to be in selling the Mauler short.

 

Mmm...who should I vote for?

 

Fixed.