Wlad vs Jack Johnson

Lets see. Johnson has a suspect chin. He was not a good out fighter on film and had trouble with jabbers. Wlad's jab would be nearly imposable for Johnson to over come.

Johnson will be giving up about 35 pounds in weight, 6" in reach, and 5" in height. He also does not throw as many punches either, so how is he going to win rounds? Power wise Johnson could hit, but he is not a big KO artists, so his puncher's chance to capitlize on Wlad's biggest weakness is not likely to bail him out.

I think Wald has his way and Ko's Johnson inside of six rounds. This could very well be a mis-match.

 

Lets see Johnson was a yellow coward, who only fought midgets.
He avoided anyone over 160lbs.
He was slow ,couldn't fight inside,or outside.
Was chinny,didnt throw enough punches.
So ,how does it go?:huh .

Eye fink Wlad's imposable hab maikes the difrunce.
Wlad bye a jo,in a masmitch :thumbsup

 

In 10 fights with Wladimir, Jack Johnson wins 9 times and loses once...and his one loss to Klitschko is full of controversy...in my opinion.

 

Here we go again. If I say something you disagree with, the forum is your to share your opinion. However simply laughing it off is a sign of defeat.

If you think Johnson wins, just explain why and how, and be sure to back it up with print reports or films.

Somehow I doubt hugging super middle weights, or beating on teenagers, 156 pound men or fighters with a .500 record will add to your case, but press on.

 

From 1902-1925 He was only knocked out ONE time, and that was after 26 rounds in a gruelling Cuba sun. Thats MANY years of MANY bouts without getting kayoed. If Johnson had a suspect chin, than Wladimirs 3 stoppage losses in 12 years must mean he had a weak chin.

He was a good fighter on film agaisnt big tall fighters. Watch a fat out of shape 37 year old Jack Johnson toy with a in shape Jess Willard for the first 20 rounds.

1. How would you know? heavyweights of his era did not throw jabs outside of Jenette and Wills. Johnson went at least 3-1 against Jenette. Willard certainly didnt land jabs on film vs johnson.

It would defintley be a problem, Johnson was the greatest defensive heavyweight we have ever seen. He would slip wlad's jab frequently. Wladimir does have a excellent jab, he doesn't paw with it the way Overrated Vitali does.

Sure. No one said this would be easy. Wladimir in his prime looked like joe louis at times offensivley, and has unbelievable boxing skills. But on the flipside, This is the first time Wladimir has ever faced a First Class counterpuncher before with unbelievable strength and a hard punch. No Chris Byrd does not fit this description.

I could very well see a late stoppage win for Jack Johnson. He could make Wlad tire himself out trying to get rid of johnson, making him miss continuely and then pour on the pressure in the late rounds. Johnson threw fast flurries when he wanted too, and he could hit hard. Johnson also possessed unbelievable strength and skills in close to prevent wlad from manhandling him. IF wlad doesnt put johnson away, he also might suffer another panic attack like he did vs Purrity and Sanders. Johnson knew how to play mind games, he would get into Wladimir's head.

Wlad's other weakness was stamina and mental panic attacks when he got tired. johnson could capitalize on this weakness.

I dont see how anyone in history matched up with a Prime Jack Johnson could win by mismatch. Wlad vs Johnson would be a close fight. Johnson would easily handle overrated stiff Vitali, who lacks skills and toughness. Wladimir is a much tougher task for Johnson.

 

Excellent OBJECTIVE post Suzie:good

One wonders how suspect is a chin that goes from 1901 to 1915 before being kod?
Thats 14YEARS!
And the owner of the chin was 37 years old and had just fought 26 rounds in the CUBAN SUN.
That Chin would go another 11YEARS before being cracked again ,by which time its owner was 48 years old.
Lets put this in perspective.
Sullivan was dropped by Mitchell.
Fitz was dropped by Corbett.
Wlad was stopped 3 times AND WAS IN HIS PRIME.
Anyone think their chins are suspect because of it?
No! because their name is not John Arthur Johnson.
And they are not being rated by" Mendozy" the forum CLOWN.
I addressed this to you Suzie because you cannot have a rational argument with a BIGOT.:-(

 

Your dates are very selective. Johnson was stopped at least twice before 1902. His chin was suspect enough to get Ko'd by one punch, and floored by a middle weight. He also quit in his 1913 fight vs Battling Johnson in a scheduled 20 round affair that should have gone down as a TKO loss, and of course was TKO'd in a sparring session vs a live body in Gunboat Smith. Which heavyweight prime punchers did Johnson really face when he was champion? NONE except for Willard who of course knocked him out.

Wrong! Johnson did not toy with Willard for the first 20 rounds. I have seen what's left of the full fight. Johnson did well in the first ten rounds, rounds 11-20 were close to even, then Willard took over to end the show.

This is because you have only seen edited ESPN clips or unforgivable blackness clips of the fight. Willard though not nearly as skilled or fast as Wlad landed plenty from the out side. So did fringe contender Frank Moran. I think you might change your opnion if you watch additional footage. If these guys could land, and Jack O'Brien out jabbed Johnson, Wlad would have field day.

This is funny. In which filmed fight can I see Johnson slip jabs frequently? Please list the film and round por favor.

Counter punching a very fast and skilled fighter is perhaps the hardest thing to do in the game of boxing. No man has successfully counter punched Wlad in 50+ pro fights, so suggesting Johnson could do it is a real reach.

If you think Johnson wins fine. But Wlad did not suffer a panic attack vs Purrity. He was young, punched himself out vs a very durable opponent, and lost via stamina. I do not think Wlad suffered a panic attack with Sanders either. Sanders is a legit southpaw bomber and landed some hard stuff. Back then, Wlad did not have the clinching skills he has today.

Well if you don't see how anyone in history could match up with Johnson, then there is little room to talk this out. Johnson would have an even tougher time with Vitlai, who would stare him down, and give him no quarter in the ring. At least Johnson would have a puncher chance vs Wlad. Also, I'm not sure if Johnson uppercut would work as well agaisnt a much taller opponent.

 

C'mon Mendoza. He broke his arm against Jim Johnson. Let's at least deal in facts.

Johnson was easily defeating Willard for most of the first twenty rounds. He was 37 years ols , fat and out of top shape. He still managed to have little trouble hitting him.

I'm not going to debate on his defensive abilities. He is constantly refered to as one of the best defensive fighters of all time. That's good enough for me.

Wlad is a highly flawed fighter. He has the worst chin of any heavyweight champion I have ever seen. To limit it's exposure he has become a cautious, jab and hold guy and is highly boring to watch. I think Johnson overcomes the size advantage and stops him in the later rounds.

 

He Grant,

If the fight was set for 20 rounds, and Jack quit in ten, it should be recorded as a TKO loss. Reports say Jim Battling Johnson was getting the better, and the crowd thought Johnson was close to being stopped when he went down via wrestling, and quit. They booed, and the decision of a draw was in question to the point where the French wanted to strip Johnson of his crown.

Lets forget misty eyed talk here and focus on the films and news write ups. Where can I see this great defense? Johnson had some nice reflexes, and good punch anticipation, but he also had some flaws. A cursory glance of the films would show you this. He was not a heavyweight venison of Pep or Whitaker by any means.

I think Brewster and Sanders were seasoned skilled punchers with quick hands. Johnson did not fight anyone like this. Johnson did not face big punchers as champion. He ran from prime venisons of McVey and Langford, and did not seek out Wills or Fulton as an x-champion. Picking hapless white hopes, journeyman, or sub 180 pound men who lacked power is a big reason why Johnson wasn't stopped as often as he was prior to being champion.

The best prime punchers Johnson fought were Choynski, Haines, and Willard. All three took him out. Coincidence?

I highly doubt Johnson could take Wlad bombs, and I also think Wlad is much better of an out fighter. Johnson might have pushed around smaller men in the clinches in his day, but Wlad is super strong and much heavier.

 

"He ran from prime venisons?"
Where they antelope or pronghorns?

 

Should say versions, not venisons. Might I suggest you take your clown act to the lounge? I think you would be a hit there.

 

"Did not seek out Wills or Fulton as an ex champion".
Considering he was 37 when he lost the title, is this surprising?
Is this guy for real?
Johnson broke a bone in his left asrm against Jim Johnson in the 3rd rnd.The fight went 10 rds to a draw ,it has NEVER been conclusively proven whether it was scheduled for 10 or 20 rds.
You are debating against a closed mind,one eaten up with hatred and malice.
Good luck to you, against Mendozy , the truth is very flexible.

 

Look, I know the Haye injury has caused a flurry of activity here, but I don't think the exhumed corpse of Johnson is really worth considering for June 20th...

 

No way, I'm missing this free entertainment.
I see you as a classic case of split personality.
Any other boxing subject but Johnson ,rational ,lucid and fairly intelligible,[for some one with learning difficulties].
Mention the name Johnson and bingo ! It's like a Pavlovian conditioned response !
What treats are still in store for us I wonder?
Come to the circus .:happy