Wlad vs Povetkin clinch stats!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DaveK, Dec 25, 2013.


  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    He performed like that because he is not as technical or skilled as you believe he is. If he had the ability he would of used it.

    His reliance on fouling was taken away from him against Brewster and in 5 rounds he was stopped.
     
  2. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dino gets all sorts of crap because of his opinions of Wlad, but many of them are right on the money.
    I don't know if it was just specifically this fight, but Wlad was just interested in postshotting and clinching. a jab or a 1-2, clinch. Any time Povetkin came forward and tried to throw a punch, clinch. When in any doubt, clinch.
    There is a sequence in either the 11th or 12th, when there is a lull in the clinching. They are standing about 5-6 feet apart, and Wlad literally throws up his gloves, walks towards Povetkin, and clinches again. He just couldn't resist.
    Not to mention literally jumping on Povetkin's back in the 6th round, pulling his head down repeatedly, and in the main fighting in a cynical manner. Even the knockdowns...one of them was clearly a pull and a throw more than a knockdown, but they counted it as knockdown anyway.

    And people want to accept that with a shrug and call it a 'dominant' performance? He got off lightly because the champ usually gets the rub of the green and the ref was quite happy to allow the excessive clinching.
    A disciplinarian like Mills Lane would have been docking him points at early as the second or third round, like he did to Bruno against Tyson. Fighters have been disqualified for that amount of excessive holding, fouling and clinching.

    Clinching is part of the game, but when it becomes your main line of defence, when statistically there is a clinch every 11 seconds (as in this fight) then that's going way too far.
    Wlad has become an expert of managing to miss with a punch and somehow grabbing an opponent with that same hand and immediately pulling him into a clinch. How any hours of practice in the gym that must have taken is anyone's guess.

    I felt quite sorry for Povetkin. He was the one trying to make the fight; Wlad was doing his best to turn it into a non-fight, and he succeeded.
     
  3. janitor

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  4. DaveK

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    Exactly.
     
  5. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Another fighter one could throw in for comparison is Daruisz Michalczewski. If you're the type to call Wlad great based on statistics, then where is the love for Dariusz?
    He ran to 48-0 (38 ), a statistic better than Wlad, made 23 title defences including 14 stoppages/knockouts in a row, a statistic better than Wlad, and lost only twice, right at the tail end of his career. He was stopped once. More stats better than Wlad. P4P statistically, he is a better fighter than Wlad.

    So why does nobody have this guy in their top 10 at 175, despite being statistically better than virtually anyone at the weight? Why is nobody talking about this guy? Why is he forgotten today?
     
  6. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    And he was olso the lineal LHW champion.

    He didn't leave much behind to be remembered , because Wlad is now, he fought only at home for the check and not the glory.
     
  7. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    So the man is "uncomfortable", thus instead of a good defense, lateral movement, blocking, parrying, infighting, punching down, keeping distance & throwing power punches...Any number of strategies & combinations...Constant clinching is OK because your opponent is coming in lower than you would prefer?
     
  8. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They really should ban the clinch from boxing, There is a reason why amateur boxing is more fun to watch in my view, the best fights are when guys duke it out Halger Hearns style, no hugging like two butt buddies.That **** may have been acceptable back when jack johnson was lacing gloves but this is the new age of high speed internet and high resolution tv and fast twitch video games, ppl don't have the attention span to watch a few good shots once every now and then.IDC rather you think its good strategy or not for better or for worst it destroys the rhythm of a good fight.
     
  9. old_man

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    I'd say you suck at math. Check your final stats again. Nevertheless, the fight was shitty and you deserve credit for sitting through it again.
     
  10. Mr Butt

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    Wlad has dominated a weak division that has to effect the way he is viewed in the future as does the way of his dominance . He has after being stopped a few times during his earlier career developed a very effective defensive grab foul jab grab jab style for the vast majority of his tittle career which while allowing him to be dominant is hardly going to raise the profile of the sport . The general public usually like the heavyweight champion to be a larger than life character with an air of psychical superiority about him or a fighter with a chilling puncher with that baddest man on the planet edge thrown in there for good measure. Wlad really has shown not any of these thus helping a decline in the interest taken in the sport by the average joe on the street.
     
  11. mcvey

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    Let us hope they will be more entertaining, they could hardly be any less.
     
  12. Mendoza

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    If Wlad fights an aggressive fighter who moves forward and comes in low, there is going to be a lot of Clinching. This fight was in Povetkin's home country. I think its fair to say that Wlad was worried about a bad decision, so that could have lead more clinching. Povetkin also did not punch to get out ,or come up with a way not to be clinched. And the referee didn't warn Wlad about the clinching, so we saw more of it. Keep in mind, Wlad was 37, and a bit past his prime for this fight. 3-4 years ago, I think we see a TKO.

    Where I disagree is on defense. Wlad is great at blocking the hook, and positing his arms to parry punches before they pick up a lot of steam. When you are 6'6", pulling straight back can quickly take the range out of shorter opponents.
     
  13. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Now I can see why Wlad never fights in the USA, because if he did he would be DQD with the excessive holding:-(
    I'm glad I didn't waste my time watching this shitty fight, watching paint dry would be more exciting..
     
  14. janitor

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  15. Shake

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    And dispatching them in short order.

    You know, boxing is so well-promoted. Single matches get entire 24-7 documentaries detailing the build-up in dramatic fashion. And we try it, like it, come to expect it.

    Wlad is simply beating the entire roster without the precise promotion and timing and all that. If Mayweather simply selected Hatton and beat him three months later, he would get less credit than he does for the fight. It was a well-promoted match, after all. If Tyson beat Holmes for the title, and selected Spinks and crushed him, he would get less credit. For beating the same guy, for overcoming the same challenge. It had the right timing and the right promotion, and therefore is one of his best wins.

    The way Wlad is beating the division like a red-headed stepchild is pure sport, save the bull****. He's just doing it ugly. And that's making people grumpy.