Wlad vs the ATG's

None of those names barring Tyson and Lewis could or would be favored over him.

i guess with Wlad retired he will somehow earn a badge of legitamacy in this section? We know a boxer cant be judged or measured until he hangs them up right? lol

 

Only give him a reasonable chance of beating Frazier and Liston, possibility he loses all 10 though.

Technically the most deficient of all those fighters, but Klitschko fans will never accept this glaring truth, however he does have size on his side, and believe me size does matter despite what your girlfriend might tell you.

Edit: Actually my gut tells me he would out point Bowe, and I don't know who would win out of him and Holmes.

 

Boxing fans are the biggest idiots i have ever seen, it's bizarre how a fighter doesn't get respect until he is retired,
after he is retired now he can be compared with other retired fighters, it's just so laughable.

 

kinda unfair putting him in with an ATG, to be honest. Just match him with world class at best.

 

You think Wlad is favourite over Ali? You'll have to talk me through that one!

 

You can compare any fight you want, but when it comes to the time of the fight and both are on their own in that lovely square circle, it means nothing.

Let us think for a minute, is an all time great one that loves to fight and please the fans and himself?

Or is an all time great, one that fights and is very clever whilst doing so?

It depends on how you look at it really.

I have Joe Louis as number one, because of what he achieved in the ring and how the man struggled in life afterwards.

 

The most deficient of all those fighters ? You won't tell me that Foreman, Frazier and Liston were more skilled than
Wladimir Klitschko, come on now.

 

None of those guys are so deficient and incompetent with their inside game that they are going down to Tyson Fury without at least a fight. His inside game is virtually non-existent! It is inexplicable that he didn't try to fight Fury on the inside when he couldn't find his range from distance. Shameful really. The common perception is that the years had caught up with. But that wasn't the case, not at all, it was a fundamental deficiency in technical skills that cost him that fight.

None of them are getting bossed by Corrie Sanders either in that manner.

 

Yes, but the difference here is Wladimir actually got schooled. You notice, I didn't mention Wlad's two defeats where he gassed, because I can almost accept that, you get tired, punch yourself out against a lesser man, then they take you out. That's just a bit of naivety or inexperience, and I'm not holding that against him. But Wlad has actually been taken to town a few times by pub fighters where it wasn't gassing that was the problem, or a lucky punch, but it was a lack of skills that cost him because he is a limited fighter.

His size is the only reason he can even be mentioned in the same breath as these other guys, that and a sheer lack of competition.

If Fury and AJ had come along 8 years earlier, then you'd be laughed out of town for even mentioning Wlad's name in the same breath as guys like Ali, Lennox, Louis and so on.

He can fight from distance, no one is denying that, anything else he severely lacking. A one dimensional fighter can not be considered an ATG in my book.

 

The list of differences between the guys on that list and guys klitchko actually faced is massive. Boxing iq the biggest difference...with most of them anyway. Skill. Stamina. Speed. Power. Reflexes. Pretty much every aspect of the game. They we,re real full time fighters fighting consistantly. Under klitchkos regime...a vast majority of them we,re basically part time fighters.

Although they are bigger nowadays...the skill level difference is vast compared to the guys on that list. Tbf klitchkos were skilled operaters. But they had it too easy against guys that didnt really have a level of skill. Made them look better than they we,re. Even holyfield miles past his best was competetive in that era. He,d have mullered these guys at his best.

Still dont think hes comparable even if people believe hes better head to head anyway. These guys every single one of them went out there and put on a show almost every single time. Klitchko was the opposite as much as he achieved...his negative style should come at a price. Very few wanted to watch him...but tbf his longetivity is impressive. He never really took his eye off the ball for years. I think that will count towards him everytime he goes onto these lists.

 

Then you better get your book and scrap Frazier from that list. And Tyson. And Foreman. And Liston, Louis and Bowe.

 

Well I did say he had a reasonable chance of beating of beating Liston and Frazier. And outpoint Bowe.

I find it unfair though to say the likes of Tyson and Frazier can only fight one way, what exactly do you expect them to do given their size?

I feel Tyson is going to do a Corrie Sanders on Wladimir, and Foreman is going to pound him into next week, the panic will set in, the rabbit in the head lights look will ensue, yep, those fights aren't lasting long.