Wlad vs the ATG's

It was during the Joshua fight that I realized, this guy might just have beaten anybody in his prime, on a given day.

My guess is that he would not be leaving 0-10.

 

After which of the 3 times he got floored by a novice did that realisation come to you?

 

Louis - Louis KO/TKO
Ali - Ali KO/TKO
Holmes - Holmes decision
Lewis - Lewis KO/TKO
Foreman - Foreman KO/TKO
Holyfield - Wlad decision
Frazier - Wlad decision
Tyson - Tyson KO/TKO
Liston - Wlad KO/TKO
Bowe - Wlad decison

 

Bowe would get hit the most out of these guys against Wlad, so it would be who could land the big one first.

 

Wlad can't deal with movers. Its why he tried to cheat Fury with an illegal canvas.

A slick , fast mover like Holyfield is all wrong for Wlad. Boxing is symmetry. Angles beat straight lines.
The circular lateral mover beats the straight shooter 9/10.
Wlad would struggle to even throw a punch , never mind actually land one. You all know it.

 

Wlad doesn't throw a lot of punches. He has nothing to keep Bowe on the outside and id argue Bowe's over hand right was longer and rangier and would catch Wlad first. Especially since Bowe isn't hesitant to throw it.
Once they come together on the inside its game over for Wlad.

 

We obviously disagree about Joshua.

I saw smarts and wiles in him in that fight, that he had never needed to bother with previously for the most part.

Cunning little feints, and traps.

He could always have done that sort of thing around the time of the Pulev fight, if there hand been an opponent where he needed to.

 

Joshua is about to find out just how much of a headache it is to field mandatories from multiple belts.

Wlad walked that tightrope for a long time!

 

You are forgetting the infamous Wlad clinching in order to neutralize that inside threat. The strategy of jabbing and right crossing from the outside while keeping the distance and then clinching on the inside is what got him through all those years as champ after his initial losses due to a weak chin.

 

Any way you slice it it's a major height weight thing. He probably loses to Lewis, Tyson Wlad would be 50/50, but Wlad beats the rest(and before you note Tyson was small, yes, he was small and it suited his style. Most of the bigger fighters on your list generally relied on being bigger)

When Ring did it's ATG HW rankings in the spring, it noted that the analysts they used all generally agreed you can't compare pre tyson hws h2h, because of the size difference. I'll never understand why forum goers have so much harder a time with this than professionals.

 

No i wouldnt just go to the Ali vs Joshua thread in the main section and thats just an example of a modern SHW...exception is Ali would last longer with Klitchko bc of styles.

The only point i will make in short ( dont feel like battling off the masses on here)....is...

Take away Alis jab and you take away anything he could do.Ali HAD trouble blocking jabs when one actually threw them.This is shown with REAL footage from small to big HW's ...wlad wins too big/technical and is VERY fast himself!

 

1 Louis

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2 Ali

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3 Holmes

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4 Lewis

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5 Foreman

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6 Holyfield 50/50
7 Frazier

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8 Tyson

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9 Liston

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10 Bowe

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When 'classic' sections own @janitor (notoriously pro-past eras) is the one giving props to Klitschko and Joshua, you know the rest are living in denial when continuing to dismiss their talents.

Way to go janitor (hopefully we get to see your boy Dubois in vs AJ in the coming years like you predicted).

 

What does "fair" have to do with it? You literally stated that a a one dimensional fighter can not be considered an ATG in your book, and now you're changing the goal posts.