Wlad vs. the "forgotten generation"??

Of course I wouldn't.
But Pac like Wlad could be troubled by lesser fighters (historically).
Your initial point that I objected to was your blase dismissal of the likes of Bruno and Witherspoon. I could see both of those guys beating Wlad, without needing to land that lucky bingo punch as you alluded to.

 

The chances of Bruno or Witherspoon beating Klitschko are way different. Bruno only was competitive against him because of Terrible Tim's drug problems. Tim at his best would have destroyed Bruno and had a slight chance against Wlad.

Either Klitschko 100% stops Bruno on his feet in the second half of the fight.

 

"take a guy who is known to run out of gas into the later rounds and then let him have it" - Classic :good

 

Weaver could whack.

Post Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Holy, Bowe and Lewis are the only guys I'd definitely favour. The aforementioned Heavies (by Gaz) were too inconsistent for me to pick whole-heartedly.

Question is how would Big Frank do. Good jab, size and power.

 

Easy there Dunky, you on the single malts?

 

I think the likes of Morrison were probably better than what we see today, Wlad, Vit aside.

At least you would have known a fight was going to take place.

This KO was brutal though:
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witherspoon IMO was the best of the rest in the 80`s heavies after tyson and holmes .

i think his abilty to soak up wlads punches and his big overhand right landing on the top of wlads head a few times would trouble wlad, albeit his cross arm defense would leak v wlads height /reach and correctly thrown punches and he would be outjabbed.

but he was a good fighter.

pinklon thomas most probably behind witherspoon , but he was short lived, drugs ****ing up his career.

good all around fighter who would hang tough but be stopped by wlad.

page and tubbs had abilty, but they loved there cakes to much and would be picked off from the outside, withoput the foot speed to get in close.

carl williams was talented but fragile.

john tate , big fat man but not that good, his size an advantage, but not against wlad and i see him falling hard

weaver /dokes/bey/ etc etc small like chambers and dealt with the same way.

wlad would alsways be indanger of having a big punch catching him clean and being ko`d, but on paper IMO if he had fought holmes opponents he would have been more dominant than holmes was fighting the exact same opposition.

prime holmes , up for it , in shape and focused beats wlad of today in a hard fight, but people forget holmes was not up for it, 90% of the time and coasted in fights and underprepared many times leading to closer fights than he needed to be in.

overall witherspoon 30% chance and holmes 55 % chance of beating wlad.

i think early tyson aggression/intensity and will to win would have gotten wlad out of there early.

 

Good assessment Sean.

 

Now way Jose. I just thought I would throw a grenade into the debate, but I believe what I said.
Holmes through his moaning about how badly hes been treated now has Joe public fooled into thinking he was a true ATG, he was never as good as that.
I have watched most of his fights, have read his book, hell I like the guy!

He wasnt an ATG heavyweight though, as closer inspection of his record confirms.
He is just a guy who has cried so much about not being given the credit he deserves, he now gets too much credit if you catch my drift. He was a solid champ, but guys like Lewis & the Klits would have beaten him.

I can go into more detail if need be, but a proper look at his record tells its own story without me having to go into detail.