Wlad, while dominant still looks very vulnerable.

HENDO · Sep 13, 2010

Little Pea said: ↑

- Nobody said Wlad has no flaws.
- Wlad tends to fight people that have no chance? ANd then you say his brother does in fighting the mighty Briggs? Or in trying to fight the sweet Valuev? Or maybe you forgot to name Sosnowski? (sorry can't even recall his name)?

Both are not fighting people that can beat them because...there are NONE.

Wlad wouldn't even be able to miss Briggs or Valuev's head.
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And if Briggs is ANYTHING like the guy that fought Lewis, he can potentially knock Wlad out, and Valuev won't miss Wlad either.

But Wlad won't fight them.

I'll leave it at that.

MaliBua · Sep 13, 2010

HENDO said: ↑

And if Briggs is ANYTHING like the guy that fought Lewis, he can potentially knock Wlad out, and Valuev won't miss Wlad either.

But Wlad won't fight them.

I'll leave it at that.
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atsch

lol man.

That's all.

HENDO · Sep 13, 2010

MaliBua said: ↑

atsch

lol man.

That's all.
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You tell me how Wlad can get away from Valuev's punches. Is it his superior head movement and upperbody agility? Is it his outstanding lateral movement?

Because he fights to protect his chin.

Haye, decided to box Valuev as well, but if it wasn't for his great upperbody movement, and quick lateral movement, he would have been pizza faced.

So, you tell me how a musclebound, very stiff, Wlad who didn't look so industructable against foward leanin, relatively light punchin, no body punch in his arsesnal, but TALL Thompson, is going to completely avoid Valuev who is bigger, taller, rangier, more aggresive, and solid chinned?

Get real.

And you don't think Briggs who at his best gave a very GAME Lennox Lewis a hard fight, couldn't get to Klitschko?

You don't think he would even touch Klitschko's chin?

And you have the audacity to laugh at me?

Ya'll need to learn boxing, and put your bias aside.

Styles make fights. That's why Vitali takes on true threats.

Scottish · Sep 13, 2010

Haye will knock Wlad out inside 2 rounds, people think im being a crazy nuthugger when i say it but i genuinely belive he will catch him cold and his speed will be to much.

HENDO · Sep 13, 2010

Scottish said: ↑

Haye will knock Wlad out inside 2 rounds, people think im being a crazy nuthugger when i say it but i genuinely belive he will catch him cold and his speed will be to much.
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Honestly, I can see this happening to. Klitschko simply has not been hit in a long time.

But it's not because he has Mayweather like defense. It's mainly due to his opposition.

He wasn't so unhittable against Tony Thompson, but that's because Tony Thompson at least had size. He may have had nothing else, but he did have size.

BoxingFan2010 · Sep 13, 2010

ocelot said: ↑

Everyone asks how Wlad would have responded to Tyson's power, but no one asks how Tyson would have responded the first time he got hit with one of Wlad's right hands.
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:good

MaliBua · Sep 13, 2010

HENDO said: ↑

Honestly, I can see this happening to. Klitschko simply has not been hit in a long time.

But it's not because he has Mayweather like defense. It's mainly due to his opposition.

He wasn't so unhittable against Tony Thompson, but that's because Tony Thompson at least had size. He may have had nothing else, but he did have size.
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Wlad is a Panic Boy.

Doc (aka Meke) · Sep 13, 2010

HENDO said: ↑

You tell me how Wlad can get away from Valuev's punches. Is it his superior head movement and upperbody agility? Is it his outstanding lateral movement?

Because he fights to protect his chin.

Haye, decided to box Valuev as well, but if it wasn't for his great upperbody movement, and quick lateral movement, he would have been pizza faced.

So, you tell me how a musclebound, very stiff, Wlad who didn't look so industructable against foward leanin, relatively light punchin, no body punch in his arsesnal, but TALL Thompson, is going to completely avoid Valuev who is bigger, taller, rangier, more aggresive, and solid chinned?

Get real.

And you don't think Briggs who at his best gave a very GAME Lennox Lewis a hard fight, couldn't get to Klitschko?

You don't think he would even touch Klitschko's chin?

And you have the audacity to laugh at me?

Ya'll need to learn boxing, and put your bias aside.

Styles make fights. That's why Vitali takes on true threats.
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There were a few guys over whom WK didn't have height or reach advantages. Thompson, Austin, and McLine spring to mind.

Take a look and see what he did to them. A lumbering and slow Valuev would be an even easier fight.

You can say whatever you want about WK, but the guy was a hell of a boxer already 8-10 years ago. Now he is just a machine..albeit a boring one.

Anyone who think WK is winning the fights because he so much bigger and taller than the rest need to check the figths where it was not the case. The guy is a very good, probably excellent to great boxer. Timing, footwork, texbook punches... his skills, in additiona to physical advantages he usuallx hold makes his opponents ordinary. he would beat them up though, even if he didn't have the advantages.

BoxingFan2010 · Sep 13, 2010

HENDO said: ↑

Now, I'm lookin at this from an all time perspective. It's obvious that in this era, which should be acknowledged with the exception of Vitali, who I think is better than Wlad, and Wlad of course, and from a skill and tallent point at least, Haye, is a very weak era.

In this era, there are few fighters that would give Wlad problems, although I would rather have seen Wlad in with Briggs. I think Vitali takes care of any guys that pose Wlad problems, yet he doesn't seem to get the credit he deserves.

Vitali is the meaner, more confident, while slower and less athletic, more relaxed and better fighter out of the two brothers.
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:good Very Good Post! Agree :good

Starched Him · Sep 13, 2010

HENDO said: ↑

His defense is very much reliant on his opponents limitations, rather than personal skill.

You could tell that Peter's headmovement in the first few rounds was making Wlad uncomfortable, but Peter's reluctance to stay commited to a jab, throwing the jab from too far out, and being too slow, and squared up, allowed Wlad to get away from Peter's punches.

Wlad still has a tendency to back up with his chin in the air and in a straight line. While he often does keep his left hand on his opponent to create distance, he also leaves himself open for a counter punch.

His defense is basically predicated on his height, strength, and inability of his opponents to be effective enough offensively.

This fight solidified my believe that Mike Tyson would have no trouble getting low enough to avoid Wlad's punches, and get close enough to land right and left hooks, when Wlad fails to cover up.

And while Mike Tyson is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time, so this shouldn't be held against Wlad, I can see David Haye, using a different defensive style, but with a similar strategy, of getting himself in position to counter Wlad.

Now only if Haye would show some balls, we could find out.
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Well comparing one of the greatest of all times to a somewhat limited but great in his own right boxer isnt fair.

Wlad did his thing. But he is no Tyson ALI FOREMAN FRAZIER THEY ARE ALL CUT FROM A DIFFRENT CLOTH.

WLAD CAN ONLY DOMINATE WHATS THERE INFRONT OF HIM, THERE IS NOONE THAT CAN TEST HIM. SO WE MAY NEVER KNOW HOW GREAT WLAD REALLY IS

BoxingFan2010 · Sep 13, 2010

Ivo said: ↑

I do not think so. Wladimir KlitschKO looks very solid to me.
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:deal

BoxingFan2010 · Sep 13, 2010

:good

HENDO said: ↑

And if Briggs is ANYTHING like the guy that fought Lewis, he can potentially knock Wlad out, and Valuev won't miss Wlad either.

But Wlad won't fight them.

I'll leave it at that.
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Valuev, Haye & Povetkin will not fight a KLITSCHKO, either one of them. I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT!thumbsup

BoxingFan2010 · Sep 13, 2010

Scottish said: ↑

Haye will knock Wlad out inside 2 rounds, people think im being a crazy nuthugger when i say it but i genuinely belive he will catch him cold and his speed will be to much.
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Seems your more sure than Haye is...OR HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE FIGHT! PS-F**K off with your and Haye's bull**** excusses for not taking the fight! :thumbsup

Little Pea · Sep 13, 2010

HENDO said: ↑

You tell me how Wlad can get away from Valuev's punches. Is it his superior head movement and upperbody agility? Is it his outstanding lateral movement?

Because he fights to protect his chin.

Haye, decided to box Valuev as well, but if it wasn't for his great upperbody movement, and quick lateral movement, he would have been pizza faced.

So, you tell me how a musclebound, very stiff, Wlad who didn't look so industructable against foward leanin, relatively light punchin, no body punch in his arsesnal, but TALL Thompson, is going to completely avoid Valuev who is bigger, taller, rangier, more aggresive, and solid chinned?

Get real.

And you don't think Briggs who at his best gave a very GAME Lennox Lewis a hard fight, couldn't get to Klitschko?

You don't think he would even touch Klitschko's chin?

And you have the audacity to laugh at me?

Ya'll need to learn boxing, and put your bias aside.

Styles make fights. That's why Vitali takes on true threats.
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Ni bias. Just disagreeing. Can't you see the difference? Brigss is DONE.
He's not the one who faced Lewis (shall i remind you boxing expert).
Valuev is slow and...has NO POWER. Both are easy job for WLad. Of course, Briggs has that one punch chance at anytime (and against any fighter).

No bias? Whats with you Vitali bias? I like both of them by the way. Huge threat...Briggs...Valuev...Sosnowski...and i need to learn boxing.
Says the one who predicted Toney would beat Couture...:tired

TommyV · Sep 13, 2010

HENDO said: ↑

Look at Vitali fighting Valuev and Briggs for example. Wlad couldn't use his current style of defense against Valuev because Valuev has longer reach, and is the bigger heavier opponent and can would be able to use his strength against Wlad.

Briggs, while obviously a SHELL of his former self still possess fast hands, aggression, and the willingness to get in there and throw it out, ALONG WITH SIZE.

Who's fighting these guys? Not Wlad.

Vitali.

Vitali is the true warrior..
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Are you ****ing serious?

Look at the level of competition Wlad has been fighting compared to Vitali.

First of all, Vitali hasn't fought Valuev. Second of all, Briggs? ****ing Briggs? The overweight, shot, asthmatic Shannon Briggs that is? He's ****ing done. That fight is an absolute joke and is typical of Vitali.

Wlad isn't fighting Briggs because Briggs is a joke on the current HW scene. Wlad was the one who fought the likes of Ibragimov, Chageav and Chambers. All top 3/4 guys in the division at the time they fought him. The BEST opposition around. Vitali does no such thing.

I'm done. Clown.

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