Wladamir Klitshko Vs Lennox Lewis

No it doesn't sound ******ed at all, maybe I'm being age-ist. I remember when Lewis did the ring-walk for the first Rahman fight I sent a text to my mate over the mobile phone saying "I can't believe the thick **** hasn't learnt by history!" and my friend asked me what I meant by that...I never answereed until it was over and said "THAT is what I meant"

Maybe WALDO V Sanders was the same, we'll find out next time someone hits him on the chin I suspect.

I honestly can't say fairer than that.

 

Does anyone really believe that Wlad beats a prime Lewis? Thought not.

 

A prime Wladimir does. He's only just entered his prime. I think we're going to see better things from Wladimir.


regards

 

Haye couldn't beat Chagaev if Povetkin was helping him!

And Povetkin will administer a beating to Haye, for sure.

I think David Hype escaped the cruiserweight division as the competition got tougher. He's not really in Wladimir's class.


regards,

 

FightingWeight, just curious but how do you mean home town bias towards Lennox? Are you from Toronto?

regards

 

Re 1)

More than 30 years after the fight, this piece of horse**** surfaced. Some folks neede a story.
It was pretty obvious from watching the fight what happened. Ali invented a strategy for dealing with someone who, by conventional wisdom, couldn't be beaten.

And it worked.

Foreman gave numerous interviews in the ensuing 25 years and gave Ali his props and made no stupid claims of the type you mentioned during the remainder of the century.


Re 2).

He began developing an eye problem around 1965 in one eye. He was not blind in it (nor is he yet) but it got worse in 75 when Ali nearly closed it with constant jabs in Manilla.

Re 3.

Again, what part of COMPLETELY FALSE do you not get. At no time in his life did Sonny Liston make any such claim or admission. End of story.

You can count anything you like. Folks who know a little bit about the sport (and that category very clearly does NOT include you) put no stock in Ali-Holmes or Ali-Berbick.

These last two points should prove to most observers that you should avoid argument and debate altogether as you lack the ability to draw rational inferences from a given set of starting points. This probably extends well beyond your musings on boxing.

Ali lacks the good sense to hang them up when he's through. He loses a couple of meaningless fights .

And you feel because of that he's overrated?

When most of his rating is derived from fighs that took place 10- 15 years earlier?

It's logic 101 for you, lad.

You not only know next to nothing about Ali, but you know **** all about Liston either.

He cleaned out the heavyweight division before taking on Patterson twice.

He was one of the most dominant and feared champions in the history of the sport and sits on most commentators' top 10 list.

You get more off the wall the more you post.
You appear to be obsessed with size.

Size is important IF EVERYTHING ELSE IS EQUAL, and it rarely is.

Frazier is another top 10 heavywt. He lost to Foreman twice and to Ali twice, and to no-one else, ever.

And as for size, He stopped the big (Klitschko-sized) undefeated Ellis who out-weighed him by 40 lbs

Oh, now Foreman gassed?

A while ago, he was drugged.

Did you ever see ANY of prime Ali's fights. (1964-1967) ?

You'd be hard pressed to find a single clinch in that three years.

Norton was the one fighter who seemed to have his number and be competitive with him.

And the Norton fights all took place when he was in his second (past prime) career.

Jesus man, you just don't learn a ****in' thing, even when you're getting an education, do you ?

What the **** is there to compare between Castillo and Ali ?

Are you drinking while you post ?

So we're back to size.

But you wrecked that premise without any help from me when you mentioned Matthis, a Klitscho-sized heavyweight who had fewer losses than Klitschko now has, when he faced and lost to Ali.

That's the same 'featherfisty' Ali who had a 28-0-0 record before his exile, with 80% of his wins coming by KO or TKO.

I think you meant ANYONE, rather than EVERYONE there, lad.

And in your case, from your posts on Ali in this thread, they would be right on the mark.

You may be watching lots of old fight-tapes, but some of us were there at the time and had a sense of who was who by following matters at the time, and of course, rewatching them a few times since.

If what you've posted on here is the result of that ANALYSIS you speak of, I think you need someone to sit with you while you watch and explain some things to you.

I never said that you stated it. I said, apparently you're a Klitschko fan.

And apparently you are. Or am I mistaken ?

No he doesn't. You are now being completely silly.

Your last sentence is either a testament to your profound stupidity or to your inability to read.

I told you from the outset that I am a big fan of both Vitali and Wlad. A casual recap of my posts on the subject will bear that out.

Wlad is the most skilled boxer on the heavywt scene at this time and has been for half a decade. He continues to improve.

I recently pointed out that he has five more years left before he reaches Lennox's retirement age and, depending on what he does with that time, he could become an ATG.

My point about you apparently being a Klitschko fan was that, as a Klitschko fan myself, I find your remarks on Ali a bit embarrassing, and I'm pretty sure Wlad himself would disagree with most of what you've posted in that regard.

Final note, cause I'm done here, Vitali is the tougher and meaner of the two and IF they were ever to fight, Vitali would stop the 'little fella' in under three !

 

Klitschko is the best:deal

 

Thank you. I would have said this myself but I knew the stupid motherf**cking nuthuggers would come back with some illogical BS.

Ask yourselves (honestly) how Lennox would do against Wlad's opponents? Most of Wladimir's opponents have nothing to show for themselves aside from being undefeated. But of those opponents, who did Calvin Brock beat? How about Sam Peter before his first Wlad fight? The 'soon to be beaten' Arreola hasn't fought anyone even B-level. Let's not even talk about his so called mandatories. Wlad's best win was against the very small Ibragimov, but we saw how great of a fight that was. :roll: He deserves credit for winning though.

What has happened every time someone successfully lands shots on Wlad in a fight? It very rarely happens, but when it does... :ko A prime Lennox would certainly land flush as he has the tools and the skills that none of Wladimir's opponents to this date have possessed.

Wlad doesn't have the kind of fight in him that Vitali does in order to do what needs to be done to get the W. Lennox always said that Wladimir wasn't tough enough. He'd test that chin, which isn't as bad as people say. The problem with Wladimir is that he is not used to being in a dogfight or taking very many punches. We'll never see him in a fight like Lewis-Briggs.

 

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This post is spot on. When he was destroying Brewster in the first four rounds of their initial fight, he looked like an incredible heavyweight machine. But when he gassed out after Brewster hanging in there, he suddenly wilted with barely any meaningful incoming fire sustained.

Look at how he went down in the Purritty fight. He wasn't even hit, yet he was running for dear life and eventually cowered into a corner like a little **** when Purritty was just following him around THINKING about landing a shot. He is not accustomed to being hit, but he sure does do a good job dishing it out to either slow, small, or C class fighters.

I don't think Wladimir's chin is as bad as people say. I think his will as a fighter, when having to deal with adversity, is very shaky.

 

So I guess that means Kimbo must be better than Wlad and Lennox combined then, right?

Mercer had just gone the distance with prime Holyfield before fighting Lennox.
Mercer was 41 when he fought Wlad and had "earned" his shot by beating the likes of Jeff Peagues and Troy Weida.

If you think the two versions of Mercer are remotely similar, then this conversation is over. There is no hope.

 

I submitted this post with tongue in cheek, and mentioned to another poster that I fudged a little.
But those are the facts, in reply and : Wlad TKO'd Mercer in 6; Lewis won on a disputed decision- 12 rounds.

 

kimbo slice beat mercer only 5 years after wlad fought him and did it in one round so by your logic kimbo is better than wlad. :rofl:rofl

 

Lewis TKO 6 is also another fact if you want to apply your logic. :good

 

Are we also forgetting about the fearsome Derric Rossy in all of this? :yep