Wladamir Klitshko Vs Lennox Lewis

Mercer was 41 and washed up when he fought Wlad. That is also a fact. Therefore my original point remains - name one opponent that Wlad beat anywhere near the standard of prime Lennox.

That Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster and Ross Puritty beat Wlad are also facts.

 

And Lewis went on to unify them. so that was irrelevant.

The reason the belts are fragmented today are chiefly because Lewis retired, and nobody has unified them.

 

You try to discredit Foreman's words by the term "horse****".

I believe him when he says the water tasted like medicine and that it took him years to recover.

That it popped up 30+ years later makes it actually more believable.

He still gives Ali the props by saying that he would have lost drugged or not. Doesn't change the possibility that he _HAS INDEED_ been drugged.

I just rewatched the BBC documentary on the Frazier Ali fight. They clearly state that it was a well kept secret that he was blind on 1 eye and that the doctor simply didn't check his eyes for the fight.

"In round 14, Frazier was almost blind as he stepped in, and was met once more with punishing blows from Ali. It was later revealed that Frazier actually had a cataract in his left eye and so, with the punishment from Ali closing his right eye, Frazier was effectively fighting blind in the last rounds of the fight".

Wow. Ali's stellar win against a blind boxer.

May I remind you Foreman TKO2 Frazier.

From WIkipedia:
"Others believe that he feared for his safety from Nation of Islam extremists who supported Ali. The latter theory was supported by Mark Kram's book Ghosts of Manila, which included an interview with Liston conducted years after the fight. Liston claimed to have intentionally lost because of his fear of retaliation from the Black Muslims."

You see, I am backing up my claims. You just complain.

I also don't put much into it. My initial statement emphasized that aside from Foreman there are no stellar wins on Ali's record. Slow Sonny Liston is not a stellar win. Half-blind (or rather BLIND) is also no stellar win. 45-year old Archie Moore also not. Nearly ALL of Ali's opponents fade under inspection, unlike Lennox' opponents or Holyfield's opponents.

Insults, insults, insults.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Yes, yes, the wins are stellar, the losses deniable.

He _IS_ overrated. He is one of the best boxers, but he is overrated.

There is already a Sonny Liston thread, so I won't go into that.

He _IS_ a good guy, he _IS_ famous. But not a stellar win.

You wish. You have no proof for that. This is a complete myth, only true when a small hitter fights against tall tomato cans. Size and good defense (including chin & reaction) are the top assets in heavyweight boxing.

Jimmy Ellis???
Ellis is 6'1'' and boxed at 155 lbs.
His weight was 5 pounds more, not 40.
Get your facts straight before you compare someone to Klitschko.

Obviously you are obsessed with IGNORING size.

He probably gassed because he was drugged.

Yes, I saw them all.
It's already astonishing that you consider 1964-1967 Ali's prime.

• From the 9 opponents 7 are natural cruisers.
• 3 fights aren't actually real heavyweight fights as we know it today because Ali was below 200, but be it as it may, let's be not picky about it.
• With 2 he went to the distance.
• Henry Cooper has a record of 40-14. Cooper is a featherfist.
• London has a record of 37-20.
• Zora Folley is a featherfist, Terrell is even a worse featherfist, only bottomed by Mildenberger (KO ratio 30%).
• Chuvalo (6'0'') has even a worse defense than Ali. But I like Chuvalo and this is one of Ali's best wins and best fights. However: Foreman TKO3 Chuvalo. This is how a modern heavy would do it.
• Only featherfist Terrell was taller than Ali, the others were equally small like Ali or smaller.
• Sonny Liston was 10 years older (that was a lot then) and shot.
• Zora Folley was in his 85th fight and also 10 years older and also shot.

Obviously fights for some look good if they are in black/white.

I SEE NOT MUCH IN 1964-1967 that would impress me.

I just rewatched Ali vs Terrell to check your ridiculous claim and you are wrong. Ali is a notrious clincher (grabs Terrell at the neck and insults him as soon as Terrell gets closer) or runs away all the time.

Foreman KO2 Norton. Ali SD12 Norton.
Enough said. It's the same story as with Frazier: Ali UPVALUES his opponents being unable to keep them away. Klitschko DOWNVALUES his opponents by domination.

Klitschko-Sized? Again the same mistake?
Mathis is a 6'3'' FATTY. Don't compare this guy with Klitschko.

Yes his 79% KOratio before his 3-year break is very good. Not too impressive considering that he had the most difficulties with his tallest opponents (Sabedong 6'6'' UD12, Terrell 6'6'' UD 15, bum Daniels 6'4'' KO 7) and considering that ALL of his opponents were OLDER than him, but a nice streak. Add to it that he was clairvoyancing some of the results and you get an ATG.

Aaah, the good old nostalgic feelings can get in the way... No wonder you thought that Ellis and Mathis are Wlad's size. They surely looked huge in your childhood.

Yeah, like he stopped Hoffmann under 13.

 

No, Lennox BEAT Vitali. That is the simple fact here.

BTW, love how you have the nerve to say Lewis 'LOST to Vitali, until the ref stopped the fight' Hilarious.

 

1.Ok, Lewis TKO'd Vitali in 6, so what?
2.Wlad TKO'd Mercer in 6.
If you can so conveniently accept the first postulate why is it so difficult
for you to accept the 2nd one?
Please explain your logic.:deal.

 

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It's YOUR logic numbnuts.

And you've just shown how flawed it is. :deal

 

You need to explain your logic? Why is not both those true?
You can't have a double standard.
It seems you are unsure because you have to insult.

 

If you think that the version of Mercer that fought Lewis and the version that fought Wlad are comparable, then you sir are an idiot. :hi:

 

Derric Rossy who won a UD against Mercer is better than Lewis because he only managed a SD.

Pffftt...don't you just love it!!

Hasim Rahman is better than Wlad because he beat Purrity and Wlad lost to him.

Hasim Rahman is better than Vitali Klitschko because he knocked Lewis out whereas Klitschko got the left side of his face caved in.

Kevin McBride is better than Michael Spinks because whilst Spinks lost to Tyson, McBride not only beat 'Iron' Mike, he retired him from the sport altogether.

 

That not the question, and there seems to be flaws in your logic.
My point was that they were the same outcome, hence they are equal.
You're the one that questioned my logic.
Anyway, there needs to be alittle more parity on this board, so be don't surprised if I don't challenge you again.
You've already used "numbnuts" and "idiot".l
Nothing personal on this end..

 

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No, they are not equal.

The Mercer that Lewis beat was better than the version Wlad beat.

Are you suggesting that Kimbo > Wlad?

Or even Rossy > Lewis??

 

are u saying Wlad would be out jabbed by Haye? :nut

 

LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!
Lenox drew with Hollyfield and lost to Mercer and Vit. So much for your list. LOL!!!!

Anyone of the above is KO'd by Wlad. Except Vit, of course.

Keep entertaining us. LOL!!!

 

I meant Vitali beat the crap out of Lewis, right?