Wladamir Klitshko Vs Lennox Lewis

As of right now it's a close fight, but I think Wlad is winning 8 rounds to 3 before he's gassed trying to fight off Lewis and gets stopped in the 11th.

Ask this question again in 2 years and I'll say Wlad by a close but comfortable Decision.

 

Lewis advantages: better right uppercut, better chin, he has slightly better reflexes
Klitschko's advantages: better jab, better left hook, better footwork, he is slightly faster
Their right hands are equal.

00-02 Wlad KO's 92-94 Lewis
04-08 Wlad KO's 92-94 Lewis
BUT!!!
96-01 Lewis KO's 00-02 Wlad
96-01 Lewis vs 04-08 Wlad is 55/45 fight

 

The middle two are bad.... but those are genuinely shocking.

You need to watch more boxing..... or less, and watch something else.

 

Still throwing Michael Grant in there, huh?:rofl I like you put Tyson in there for name value too... as if that version of Mike Tyson was any better than Monte Barrett.

That list actually looks pretty pathetic if you think about it. Over the hill Holyfield and Tyson... Golota, a never was who has been beat EVERY SINGLE time that he tried for any type of title. Is known for being utterly destroyed, and mentally unstable. Michael Grant?:rofl Was stopped by the very first punch of his next fight against McCline, and was pretty much stopped in his first right before Lewis by the unstable Golota before Andrew went mental again. Tua... good centender, very good power, horrible boxer that could never solve the jab. Ruddock, a hyped up never was. Briggs... yeah.. what an amazing win. A sloppy one at that. Mercer beat Lewis in many people's eyes, and Vitali was beating Lewis too before he was stopped by a cut.

Wow, what an amazing group of people. Great job of avoiding the rest of my post too. I guess it was just a little bit too much reality for you.

 

Is this the same Tyson that Vitali was chasing after Lewis beat him?

 

it sure is a pathetic list, except...

Holyfield - questionable draw in their first fight, a win in the rematch.
V.Klitschko - regardless of how you look at it Lewis did what he had to do to win the fight. there's absolutely nobody on Wlad's record like that, there's no win as gritty and hard-fought as this. Lewis' win over VK is what anchors his career and a win like this is what Wlad is missing from his.

 

I think Wladamir Klitshko is a slightly better boxer but Lennox Lewis has a slightly better chin.
Lewis by ko 8.

 

Like 'em both but voted for Wlad on points. Wlad is just coming into his prime and would control the fight with his jab. LL always advises people to put pressure on Wlad but that is easier said than done.

 

That is nonsense. Wlad needs to prove that someone else can outbox him, in order to prove his greatness? The point is that Wlad... in his prime right now... is simply on another level.

Now, if you want to talk about a gritty win, or showing heart. How about the fact that Lennox Lewis never ONCE got up off of the canvas to win a fight. As a matter of fact, Lennox Lewis was never able to even get off of the canvas and continue to fight at all. Wlad has ALWAYS gotten back up, and he has also proven that he can be knocked down, get back up, overcome the adversity, and WIN. That shows much more heart and toughness than being outboxed, and winning because one of your punches was off target, and barely grazed your opponents eye, causing a cut that stopped the fight.

 

It is the same Tyson that Lennox Lewis was trying to SUE in order to get a rematch with him, rather than face Vitali again.

 

The same Vitali that he already beat.

 

Well done asswipe, you have picked apart a resume. That can be done to the very best resume, means **** all.

Now, if you would kindly post a list of Wlads best wins (Though I doubt you have the balls too), we can all have some real fun. Whats his beat win again? Peter?

 

Lewis TKO6 :good

 

This must be some kind of joke? :think

 

OK, find me another boxer with so many wins over real heavyweights 200+.

Come on, there is someone with greater experience, or is there?
I mean, seriously I HAVE this database with all the heavies and their fights. And I couldn't find ANYBODY.

When we delete all fights with below-200-lbs opponents (since this counts as cruiserweight) then we get the following stat:

Wlad: 52 wins against 200+ opponents
Sam Langford: 72 wins (nearly all bums)
Brian Nielson: 64 wins (loads of bums see below)
Holmes: 62 wins (load of bums, see below)
Foreman: 60 wins (loads of bums, see below)
Briggs: 46 wins (loads of bums, see below)
Mike Tyson: 45 wins
Bowe: 41 wins
Lennox: 39 wins
Vitali: 36 wins
Ali: 33 wins
Ken Norton: 31 wins
LaMar Clark: 30 wins (all of them bums, see below)
Dempsey: 30 wins (nearly all bums, see below)
Archie Moore: 25 wins
Holyfield: 24 wins
Sonny Liston: 24 wins
Joe Louis: 19 wins
Frazier: 15 wins
Ezzard Charles: 13 wins
Rocky Marciano: 12 wins
James Toney: 5 wins

Now we additionally can delete all opponents that are bummy = lose 25% or more of their fights (overall in their career, not at time of bout), which is a very generous figure, and we get this stat:

Wlad: 26 wins against 200+ lbs non-bums (22 KOs)
Holmes: 23 wins (13 KOs)
Ali: 22 wins (10 KOs)
Lennox: 21 wins (15 KOs)
Holyfield: 21 wins (10 KOs)
Mike Tyson: 21 wins (17 KOs)
Brian Nielson: 21 wins (14 KOs)
Foreman: 18 wins (14 KOs)
Bowe: 15 wins (9 KOs)
Vitali: 14 wins (13 KOs)
Sam Langford: 13 wins (8 KOs). Yes 300+ fights only 8 KOs against somewhat good opposition
Briggs: 12 wins (11 KOs)
Joe Louis: 10 wins (8 KOs)
Ken Norton: 9 wins (7 KOs) and 7 losses by the way
Frazier: 8 wins (4 KOs)
James Toney: 5 wins (1 KO)
Archie Moore: 5 wins (5 KOs)
Sonny Liston: 4 wins (4 KOs)
Dempsey: 3 wins (3 KOs)
Ezzard Charles: 2 wins (1 KO)
Marciano: 2 wins (2 KOs)
LaMar Clark: 0 wins, 2 losses


Now we can additionally delete natural cruisers (= who have boxed at 180+ or below).

Wlad: 21 wins (18 KOs) against non-bummy natural heavies (no Byrds here, no Castillos etc)
Lennox: 16 wins (11 KOs) (no Holyfields here)
Larry Homes: 19 wins (10 KOs)
Ali: 19 wins (8 KOs) (no Archie Moores here)
Tyson: 17 wins (14 KOs) (no Spinks, Ruddocks here)
Holyfield: 17 wins (7 KOs)
Foreman: 16 wins (12 KOs) (no Moorers here)
Louis: 5 wins (4 KOs)
Frazier: 5 wins (2 KOs)
Toney: 2 wins (0 KOs)

NOBODY has beaten MORE good opposition than Wladimir Klitschko.
NOBODY has KOed more good opposition than Wladimir Klitschko.
NOBODY has KOed more good natural heavies than Wlad.

If you think you found a fighter with a better record than Wlad or the other top five (after deleting cruisers and bums off the record) then tell me, I will check it for you.

Only Ali, Tyson, Foreman, Lennox and Holmes come close (without overtaking Wlad). But their careers are over while Wlad is still KOing.
Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey play in a different league, they can not even be considered competitive for Lennox or Wlad or Foreman etc...

What does any performance have to do with any other?

No, it wouldn't be as easy with other of Wlad's opponents, but it would be competitive. Remember: No other heavyweight has such an good record
as Wlad. He wins. Wins often. Wins against good opposition. Wins dominantly.

Now, I know already the reactions to my post. "Do something better with your time" and "Utter nonsense, we know Lennox would KO Wlad within 3 rounds" and "Records tell only 10% of the story".
But, sorry, records tell at least 80% of the story. If you disagree with my post then try to disagree on an argumentative level, please.