Wladimir HOF worthy?

:rofl

 

Lennox was def. an ATG & easily top 5 right?

Don King bought 2 belts from Lennox didn't he? I heard the deal included a car or some ****.

 

He paid Lennox and gave him a Bentley in order to protect Byrd.

But, again, Lennox had already unified the belts and realized that the fans would know how pointless (and probably boring) that fight would have been.

 

Nope.

Unify the major belts.

 

Hall of Mediocrity

 

Because Haye is better than 99% of the trash at HW despite having only fought once there, you can't say the likes of Thompson is a bigger win than Haye :nut

Haye is better than almost everyone on Wlads record.

 

You have to rate fighters for who they were for their era. There is no great heavyweight right now, because the clearly best of the division has three knockout losses to fighters who themselves accomplished nothing, and has never beaten a fighter who can be called great. Of course Wlad would give problems to Ali or Louis or others, he's 6'5'' and about 250-260lbs. But look how he faired against men his size. Do you honestly think Wlad beats a prime Lewis, who was just as big as him. Samuel Peter (who has gotten much better since then), Sultan Ibragamov, Chris Byrd, and a few other decent heavyweights csn't stack up to the names of Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Patterson, Lyle, Quarry, etc. All lost to Ali. I'm not saying Wlad could not have beaten some, or even most of them. He's massive compared to them. But Ali beat the fighters who have proven to be great. He's beaten 6 fighters who were at one point in their career THE heavyweight champion. You can not look at what Wlad has done in this era, which compared to the others is very weak, to what Ali did in the best era of heavyweights. A track runner now would run circles around a track runner of 40-50 years ago. Athletes become bigger, stronger, more agile, than those of the past due to the training technology, and the basic course of human beings. We get bigger as decades go by. The average man now is about 6'1", were as the average man of say, the 20's or 30's was 5'9''. That's 4 inches different between an average man. Wlad never beat a great fighter because there wasn't any around. You say the Ali who got dropped by Cooper and struggled with Jones (all before he became champion) would lose to Wlad. Well what about the Klitshko that was stopped by Brewster, Sanders, and Purrity. How would he fair against Holmes or Lewis or Foreman or Tyson. Wlad may one day get in the HOF, he needs a couple of more wins, Peter again, Povetkin, Chagaev, maybe Haye, maybe Valuev, and at the end, a young guy like Areola. If he does that, he should be inducted. Just because some undeserving guys got in doesn't mean more should. Wlad is not top 15 all-time, will never be. Head-to-head, probably. But for what he is in this era compared to what the greats were in their era, he's not even close.

 

While I agree with some of your points, others are not factual. The average American male is 5'9 and a half, not 6'1, even if you factored in every other country, your average height would be between 5'9 and 5'10.

You also must look at the skill level of some of these Heavyweights now as well as there durability, which compared to older generations, there's no comparison. The Heavyweights now are definitely bigger, stronger, and more powerful for the most part, but there stamina, skill set, durability level is a good bit lower. Now top level fighters fight twice a year if were lucky, top fighters of yester year fought every other month. I watch the heavyweights of now that seem to die out after a couple rounds, where you would never see that 40, 50 years ago.

All in all, I believe Heavyweights got better in some things, and worse in others.

 

Louis also set a record for defenses incase you didn't know. Look, you're a Wlad fanatic. We all know that Russ, but we still like you. Did Holmes, Louis, or Dempsey lose in their primes against that same weak talent? And not just lose, but get stopped? Well, Dempsey comes closest. The other two did what they were supposed to, and win.

And nothing you say will cover up how horrible the HW division is. It's like how some Republicans havwe to bring up Cater when Bush is mentioned as one of the worst Presidents. The fact that you bring up fighters fought in what were considered weak eras should tell you how bad it is today.

 

This is pretty ridiculous to claim at this point. :-(

 

Not yet, what he needs to do is basically dominate the HW division and unify the major belts.

 

If Vlad can only get the others into the ring with him, buy don't hold your breath.

 

Lennox did it with three belts in an era when the alphabets allowed unification.

Tell me specifically, how is he going to break into the wBC picture when Sam is fighting a mnadatory against Vitklit, Virchis-Gomez is another, and both the upcoming Williams-McDerment fight and Arreola-Tua are being talked about as others?

How is he going to break into the WBA scene when they are going to have an interum champ fight who must fight Chagaev later?

Who is he going to time this with his two a year mandatories?

There is never again going ot be a unifed champ unless we as fans withhold our dollars and demand it.

 

Not at HW he isn't. :nono

 

So Wlad will never be top 15 all time? Name 20 HW's that are above him then.

Two of Wlad's losses came against beltholders so I'd hardly consider them "nobodies" as you put it.