Wladimir K historical perspective.

Good post. Now brace yourself for the klittard onslaught. :yep

 

He is ATG no doubt just based on his longevity on top, BUT and for me this is huge he never faced second best(possibly the best) HW of his time and thats Vitali. It is unfortunate that they are brothers but he did not prove he is better than Vitali, he has better record but it aint shining one not a single really great defining win (something like ALi vs Formeman, Liston, Frazier). Simple as this Wlad did not beat best/second best fighter of his time.

 

Hmm, interesting points, and for the most part I agree, but I feel you have to rate guys based on their era, and the fact that he has dominated over this one is incredible.

I usually find myself on the opposing side of Wladimir, but I feel he will be regarded highly as time goes on. Yes his opposition is week compared to the competitive and in shape HW's of the past that hovered around 200lbs and lower. But, he has dominated this one, his most harmful trait will be his boring ass hugfest fights and that he was a complete ***** when it comes to trading blows and actually boxing, and chose to clinch excessively instead.

The general fan base will probably have him hovering in top15 or 20 HW's

 

I think that the brothers will be highly regarded for how they dominated their era. I did, however, half way through the Wlad-Povetkin fight, find myself saying "Why am I still watching this?"

 

Perhaps the oppositoin only looks weak because Wlad is so dominant. I don't care if you find stiffs it takes a lot of skill, dedication and talent to go undeafeated for over a decade. He's also overcome incredible obstacles after his two losses in 4 fights 10 years ago he was one more loss away from his career becoming irrevelant(over) to come back from that should be admired. Any boxer would tell you the same. He also has an extensive amateur pedigree and is an Olympic Champion.
Am I fan of his style no, it's cautious and is boring. But it is effective and Dominant. He hasn't come close to defeat in Years and his wins are more dominant than most ATGS. When an opponent reaches the final bell there isn't even the chance of a robbery taking place because the fight is so lopsided. Many All TIme greats struggled and got the benefit of blind judges in fights that Wlad doesn't even have to worry about.

 

You can't really convince me that there's been nothing but C-class heavyweights for nearly a decade.

Being heavyweight champion of the world is too prestigious and there's too much global competition for that spot to think the division could have such a dry spell for that long. It just flies in the face of reality- there's more foreign competition than ever before and boxing's as diverse as it's ever been, but yet, the Heavyweight division is at an all time low talent-wise? Just doesn't add up. I'd buy that the top contenders don't face off against each other nearly as much as they should, but that's more of a matchmaking issue than a talent one.

Also, Wlad's not just scraping by in his W's- he doesn't lose rounds. That's dominance.

 

Vladimir Klitschko is the best heavyweight fighting today period. He keeps on beating the haters heroes which is the reason they hate him and lie about him so much. The Klitschko haters believe that Wilder is the greatest heavyweight of all time. LOL! Vlad will knock Wilder out if they ever fight...........

 

Don't underrate Wladimir's win over Haye. Holmes lost to a light heavyweight. Tyson lost to a cruiserweight. Wlad has only lost to heavyweights.

If you are going to look at dirty tactics you might wants to mention Ali's holding opponent's head back with the arm, George Foreman's pushing (Frazier couldn't get in punching range), Larry Holmes' thumbing the eyes, Tyson's nutpunching and elbows, Evander's headbutting and steroid-taking but since these fighters trace their ancestry back to a different continent you'll just say I beein a *****-ass muhfuger who talkin' whack and tryin' to a keep a brotha down n sheeit. Anyway, Emmanuel Steward (R.I.P) was the source of Wlad's clinching. This is why Lewis did it so much, too. You know it's true. Also, John Ruiz clinched 164 times against Golota without recieving a warning; watch the fight if you don't believe me. This fight took place in the land of the free - under the flag of the red, white, and blue. The ref was American, too. No German corruption to blame here.

You are now required to kneel down and kiss the glorious Ukrainian anus of the man who can beat all the so-called top 10 p4p fighters, Wladimir Klitschko (PhD) - your superior and the true king of boxing (his 8-year reign will earn him a much deserved spot in the hall of fame).

 

I'm just curious, but why hasn't your methodology of rating heavyweights caught on with the boxing mags, websites, ESPN, etc.? Or maybe they just don't buy into propaganda.

 

BoxingX, I understand what you're doing here, but do you think that maybe you come across self righteous and sanctimonious? I think most legit fans want great match-ups, but there will always be a difference of opinions. That difference of opinion shouldn't devolve into, "I am right, and if you don't agree with me your _____". Just my .02.