Wladimir K historical perspective.

Posts like these is the reason why nobody takes Klitschko fans and their calims of Wlads greatness seriously.

 

Cool man, he's still an ATG at heavyweight unfortunately for you though.

 

This.

 

ATGs don't turn more people away from boxing than they brought in.

Who is going to rank him as a great. America? He doesn't exist there , why would they claim him to be one of the greatest of all time?

A ATG doesn't foul his way out of trouble because he has no adapability to various styles.

He gameplan is to win by non boxing and everytime he was drawn into a fight he lost or struggled badly.

Boxing writers aren't Klitards. He'll be judged for all his flaws as well as his dominance , which he had a tag team partner for.

 

:thumbsup

 

he is doing what Joe Louis and Larry Holmes did and that is beating contender after contender. Wlad needs 3 fights this year though.

 

though he is generally known for fighting weak opponents one after one, these weaklings will appear less significant in history and what will remain is the lengthy reigns.

I want to know who the smart man is behind the k2 brothers monopoly setup, he must sure be smart toconsistently for almost a decade con at least a small percentage of fans into thinking a guy who runs in fear from a 38 year old retired golfer boxing journeyman for fear of getting koed fast again, is some kind of atg. Cos that guy who marketed the K bros sure is a smart cookie, the market he spotted and ploughed relative to the moderate talent he had on show from his team says so.

 

you never learn, don't bother replying to someone who has you on iggy. lets see how long it takes you for that to sink in.

 

Man go back to stormfront you racist pig!

 

What about them? You brought them up so you tell me what they have to do with anything.
Typical Klittard response. Shift the blame onto former great fightersatsch

 

Haha come on, I quite like Wlad and think he'll end up being ranked quite high based on longevity and dominance (of a weak era).

But you can't be serious with that post?!?!

Wlad would get a lot more respect on forums like this if his fans didn't try to spin this era to be something it's not. He's a level above everyone else at the moment but there clearly hasn't been much else out there during his reign.

 

I'll make a deal with you. I bet I can find boxing historians from eastern Europe that don't rank the klits above Ali and Louis. You find me some that do. Credentials and background must be supplied. If neither of us do its a wash. If both of us do its a wash. If one of us does and the other doesn't the loser never posts here again. Deal? I'm calling you out Elroy. Time to put up or shut up!

 

I'm new posting here but have browsed this forum for years. I find it quite funny how biased people get with their favorites get questioned and have a hard time seeing that the original poster made some great points. I could care less myself if the Heavyweight champion was from the USA, Europe, Africa, Japan, etc..I would like a heavyweight division that was filled with skilled fighters from all over the world though which I'm sorry this just isn't the case these days. I don't see how anyone that has witnessed the heavyweight division over the years can say that today's heavyweights are more skilled...it really boggles my mind how anyone can come to that conclusion..Yeah most are bigger...that's really it, they are bigger, weigh more but most are also in horrible shape and skilled? No I'd have completely disagree on that point. Lack of boxing skills is one of the things that drives me crazy when watching a HW fight these days; a lot of the fighters looked like they took up boxing a week before the fight.

Wlad is at the top because he is in great shape and he does fight smart, has a great trainer to use his skills but I do feel that his competition is really lacking to put him truly to the test. I really wonder how he would do against a pressure inside fighter with great defense and fast/powerful punches. I haven't seen him face anyone like that and I don't know of anyone in the division like that either. I feel like a pressure fighter would give him big trouble as we all know Wlad can be knocked down but luckily for him he does have a size/reach advantage but I think someone that is fast and strong could bully his way in and really test that (especially someone with great head movement...which is another skill I haven't seen any heavyweight these days have).

I really don't have much against Wlad, I'm purely thinking about this from a logical and unbaised mindset believe it or not. I've even rooted for him many times and I believe he will probably be regarded as an ATG because of his longevity at the top but I would like to see the Heavyweight division get it's excitement back. I think the problems with fighers in the division these days is lack of skill (which can be tought of course), poor training habits or lack of descipline (out of shape fighters) and the drive and hunger to win (Eye of the Tiger, ha ha).

 

i agree with this post wholeheartedly.

i give no credit for the Povetkin "fight". Wlad should have been DQ'd.

i give no credit for the non fight with Ibrogimov.

his win over a completely shot, frail looking Brewster in the rematch means nothing as well.

his performance against Haye was shocking, but he at least didn't hug and hold all the time. and unlike the Ibrogimov fight, he actually landing 2 punches a round. so i'll give the credit for that one. but only just.

overall, he isn't even close to being an ATG. had he done the job he should have over all the crap he's faced, i would have put him in the top ten. but after so many years of watching the most shameful performances i've seen from a Heavyweight champ (and against C level fighters at best) he can **** himself.