Wladimir Klit and the Heavyweight division

If one could look ten years ahead of time, and read the posts on the up-comming heavyweight division, here are some quotes one will find.

"The heavyweight division is nothing like it was 10 years ago, when we had Klitschko brothers ruling as the elite over good fighters such as Chagaev, Ibragimov, Haye, Brewster, Gomez, Peter, Arreola"

"How can you even compare him to such legendary boxers as the Klitschkos"

"Where are the Lewis', Alis, Tysons, Klitschkos?"

All greats seem to be great, posthumously.

 

:yep:good

 

It is time to give Wlad his due.

He has beaten the best of his generation: Peter, Byrd, Brewster, Ibragimov, Chagaev.

These men are not any worse tha Joe Loius Best victories of Max Baer , Max Schmeling, Billy Conn and Joe Walcott.

Dempsy's best wins of Gibbons, Firpo, Carpentier, Flynn.

Holmes' best wins of Withersppon, Norton, Shavers.

etc. etc.

And unlike the fighets listed above, Wlad is fighting everybody,

Unlike Holmes, he has not openly ducked a Pinklon Thomas or a Greg Page.

Unlike Dempsey, has he failed to fight his Harry Wills.

Unlike Jack Johnson, who refused defenses against fighters like Langford and the rest of Murder's Row, Wladdy fights anyone.

It is hard for me to put Joe Louis ont his list (it has been expalined to me that he could not make money from fighting other black fighters) but the fact remains that he did not grant defenses agaisnt some of the best heavies of his day, as oppossed to Wlad, who will fight anyone.

 

Wladimir ist a great Champion. Fighting the best he can. Behaves like a Champ.

 

Second this great post:good

 

Get outta here :rofl

Good boxers like Brewster( known for KO'ing Wlad. other notable win 2005 version of Golota) , Gomez(one time CW belt holder), Arreola

And Chagaev and Iggy are ok boxers but wouldn't be even top 10 in the 90's

 

Great argument. Sadly it is utterly delusional and fanciful.

Juts because certain fighters are seen as greater than when they were fighting in retrospect, it does not mean that all do.

However which way you want to spin it, if the Klitshcko's retired today, they would never be mentioned in the same breath as those guys you listed. Admittedly, both have a bit of time left, but can only cement a comparable legacy if some half decent opponents emerge; because as it stands, both have very poor resumes', and neither have beaten a remotely great HW in their entire careers combined.

Furthermore, if you are suggesting that todays 'contenders' will be later seen as 'good fighters' then that is merging on the disrespectful. The guys you listed are pathetic excuses for HW contenders. Iggy, Chagaev, both gave pathetic performances against the champ and will now fade into obscurity. Peter, Arreola. Fat, crude, clumsy. One is finished, the other wont go far. If you really think these guys are going to be seen as great contenders a few years down the line then I have a bridge to sell you.

 

ive read hog wash in my time BUT holy **** the guy writin this dont sound right in the head to me

 

Doofus post of the decade.


LET's fix up your obvious bull**** ...

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"The heavyweight division is finally cooking again with some real talent.

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It sure seemed like that completely shitty era starting in late 2003 would never end - back when all the great large athletes were being fed into the NFL/NBA/MLB system from the US universities/colleges and the heavyweight scene was a virtual wasteland left with only robotic bums, "C" level athletes, out of shape slobs, and other assorted fat asses or large but entirely timid fighting quail."

"Man, that was one crappy period when you had the Klitschkos, Valuav, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Brewster, Lyakhovich, Gomez, Peter, Chambers, & Arreola.

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"At least now we've got four tough, quick footed, fast handed badasses with power, speed, and size. It is incredible that we have all these guys standing 6'5 to 6'10" who are the new standard of big men representing the athletic heirs to the last great big man Lennox Lewis who retired in 2003."

"Does anyone remember watching those average as **** Ukranians .. the Klitschkos? Some assholes at the time actually thought they were decent .. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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****, those guys were SOOO OVERRATED.

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Do you ever watch them on tape?

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No doubt, man. But, it is ridiculous to watch their fights against the crappy talent of that era - they were so obviously dismal - pity they managed to reach retirement before boxing's resurgence."

"Some guy who calls himself Farmboxer just shot the president."

 

this post sucked

 

Short, accurate and precise.

I think several past eras of heavyweight boxing were composed of boxers who wouldn't make a ripple in today's pool of heavyweights, much less a splash. I remember the same crap was said about Lennox Lewis not too long ago, and before that Tyson "was a cruiserweight who is dominating a division completely devoid of talent." My memories of Larry Holmes are of a tall flabby guy wearing white boxing trunks posturing against another flabby guy for about thirteen rounds then throwing a couple of punches during the last two rounds. One writer of that time period referred to it as "theater of the flabsurd". These boxing writers seem to forget that they leave a papertrail a mile wide, just find some old Ring or KO magazines and read 'em. The heavyweight division either never had any talent or the current crop is just as talented as any previous one. We end up having to read about whiners who complain that there is "no dominant champion" or read about whiners who complain about "the lack of competition". I think a big problem with boxing is the wimps who write about it never had enough balls to actually do it, hence the lack of real perspective, that is so clearly evident in their worn out unimaginative and disrespectful garbage they write. These writers are often so thin-skinned they usually have posts like this one removed from message boards. Talk about dishing it out and not being able to take it.

I think the biggest difference is not so much the lack of talent or whatever in the sport, I think it's the often unqualified criticism penned by well kept, marshmellow soft sportswriters or fans. Face it, back in the good ol' days, the writers and fans were veterans of wars, really bad wars, they often had scarred knuckles and noses that were re-arranged by somebody else's knuckles. The writers and the fans back then knew what it was like to fight and appreciated the effort the fighters put forth and that appreciation was reflected in their writings and comments. Nowadays most of us are ignorant of what it's like to actually be in a fight, unless it's some computer game bull****. I don't think it's the fighters who have gone soft, I think it's the majority of the rest of us.

Today our "fights" are bravely posting junk on internet websites or sueing somebody in court. The fighters are more like the oldtimers than most of us.

Borges couldn't figure out that it was not Chagaev's lack of effort, it was he was completely outclassed by his opponent. I don't think Chagaev is lacking in the ability department either. I believe he would do well versus the likes of Scott LeDoux, Chuck Wepner, Ron Stander, Jerry Quarry, Mac Foster, Roland LaStarza, Ingemar Johansson, Floyd Patterson and so on. It's just a matter of not giving credit where credit is due.

 

You might be exaggerating a bit, but there's certainly a degree of truth in that.


Let it be known that Ron Borges has always consider Lewis a "glass chinned bum" and he actually SCORED his first bout with Holyfield a draw. Indeed, there goes all your credibility. He's spent years and years to take down Lennox's opposition and hate on non-American heavyweights, a crusade that now continues obviously, but since there are few US contenders, he has to hate the entire division AND say that Lewis' era, the era he kept pissing on, was a good one. Ron Borges is a ****ing hypocrite ******.

 

Both Klitschkos are class A great fighters, it's not their problem the division lacks top fighters. I would rate both Haye and Povetkin as class A tests for Wladimir and guess what?, he was scheduled to fight both but never happened because they both got injured.

Wladimir is here to fight EVERYONE available, good or bad. Just like Lewis, it looks like he will only be appreciated/missed when he's not here. Imagine the division without Wladimir, seriously, you would have Samuel Peter and Chris Arreola exchanging belts looking pregnant on national TV. The Klitschkos are saving the division.

 

Sounds to me you are hating on the division because there are no black/US heavies.

And your excuse is because they are going to the NBA/NFL and if these guys hadnt gone into this sport then obviously the heavyweight division would be all super buff, black, and American.

****ing ******.