Wladimir Klitschko against Ali's opposition

Pure bull****. Fighters from the past are always overrated H2H. If Foreman was way too big for Frazier, imagine what Wlad who punches as hard as Foreman but with greater acuracy would do. Liston looked great against fighters he could bully, against a 6'7 guy with a long ramrod jab, he would get frustrated. he quit on his stool against Ali when things didn't go his way, not exactly a lot of mental strength.

 

Thanks for a differentiated, intelligent analysis. It's just unreal how often fighters of the past are glorified in comparison to current fighters. Example: When Brewster quit on his stool against Wlad, he was shot, half - blind, Wlad's win didn't mean anything. When Liston quit against Ali, Ali was the greatest hero for beating this vicious monster.

 

Liston had a LONGER reach than Waldo, a better jab (Williams was a rangier guy than Waldo, ableit an inch shorter) - more intelligent and didn't fall like a diseased Oak every time someone touched him above the waist. You have to remember Wlad's chin is such a huge handicap whenever he's in an even remotely competitive fight (and especially when considering him as a h2h great)

 

Frazier did not lose to Foreman because he was a puncher - he lost because Foreman is an insanely strong monster with the bone structure of a Dinosaur, and probably the last fighter in the history of the sport you would ever want to swarm. Even though Wlad is tall and heavy (and powerful) he is NOT a physically strong man like a Foreman. With Wlad's tendency towards in-the-ring panic attacks, I'd take Frazier over him with some confidence.

As for Foreman.Wlad...Puh-lease...if you think anyone as fragile as Waldo can beat Foreman...Foreman makes easier work of Waldo than probably anybody else could, even the great Corrie Sanders

 

People seem to think Wlad would blow out everyone based purely on his size. Wlad is china chin. And why bring up the Manilla fight? Frazier was past it and so was Ali. Prime for Prime we're talking.

 

Period!!!

 

Foreman has awful technical skills, he was slow and sloppy. He wons fights by bulling his lighter opponents around the ring with his strength. He wouldn't do that with Wlad. Wlad uses his huge size to outjab Foreman and wear him down. Wlad would simply clinch with George when George got close.

 

He'd have a worse record, he would have lost to Foreman and Frazier all 3 times IMO.

 

this is a very murky discussion. we dont know how good wlad can get at this point. i tell u this much, he's a handful for anybody in history including foreman and frazier, but i agree they should be favored at least at this point. wlad needs to prove more.

but for all the people saying foreman or frazier ko him early, they are going off hate and/or stupidity. Wlad's current style makes it very difficult to get to him early. imo, only a prime tyson could get it done early. wlad would use his size, jab, and foot movement to create distance and tie up inside. he would be winning on points til Foreman catches up with him in the mid-rounds and i could see frazier winning late. frazier would take an awful beating though.

 

A young (early 20's) Foreman was 225, Waldo (now, with all his juice and weightlifting) is 240...

 

:rofl Obviously.

 

atsch

Foreman is a much stronger man than Waldo and has a inch longer reach. Clinging on for dear life agasint an inept Samuel Peter does not equate to the ability to neurtralize GEORGE FOREMAN with a clinch

IF lanky-ass Wlad tried to clinch Foreman he'd be shoved and manhandled and wacked on the break.

No offense Iron Duke but you are showing your young age here.

 

:rasta

You sound like Bert Sugar.

 

while i agree foreman would win, u say wlad used steroids which is completely unproven and call another poster childish :nut