Wladimir Klitschko against Ali's opposition

Age has nothing to do with it. You're showing your age by being biased to the older fighters.
Saying Foreman is 'much stronger' than Wlad is an exaggeration, even still, this is boxing not weight lifting, irrelevant statistic.

Lets look at actual skills shall we? Foreman was awful, his technical abilities were non-existant, he had no technique what so ever. Wlad punches probably just as hard, has faster hand speed, better feet movement and actually punches correctly, not swing for the fenches like a drunken brawler which is what Foreman resembled.

Wlad is simply too skilled and too tall for the amateurish Foreman. If featherfisted Ali and Young can KO George and average puncher Lyle can take him to the brink then Wlad punishes him.

 

Where's Lee 'Raven' Hayes when you need him

 

I kind of question whether some you guys have actually ever seen Waldo fight, or you just know he's 6'6" and 240, awesome!

Iron Duke you are WAY beyond help I cant be bothered with you

 

atsch

As usual you're too moronic to address a topic and debate so resort to insults. You are truly useless.

 

do u think wlad is a bum or something? watch his recent fight with brewster? u don't see improvement? He destroyed a top 10 hw with his jab. Look at the foot movement, handspeed, ring generalship, offensive variety he uses! Show me another 6'7'' dude that can do things he does. im waiting :think

 

The only Ali opponents who I would definitely favor over Vlad are Holmes, Frazier, Foreman and Liston. I would rate Norton as even money against Klitschko.

Other Ali opponents who might have stood a chance against Klitschko are Lyle, Shavers and Quarry. On their best nights these fighters were dangerous and they might have upset Vlad, although I would rate Vlad as the odds favorite against all of them.

I can't picture any of Ali's other opponents troubling Vlad too much.

 

I'm not so sure about this. At his best, the young Foreman had quick hands and an excellent jab. He could land with devastating straight punches from long range as well as brutal hooks and uppercuts on the inside.

As for Foreman's strength, it may have been the best in heavyweight history. I believe the young Foreman was definitely stronger than Klitschko.

I don't believe that Vlad could take Foreman's punches, and George would definitely have scored against Klitschko.

Keep in mind that I'm talking about the young George Foreman here, and not the version of Foreman that fought after 1987.

 

can't argue much with the first four at this point but i'd have to disagree with norton. he didnt have much of a track record against punchers. wlad maybe be a boxer, but he is a boxer-puncher who stalks his opponents and has power in both hands. wlad sparks norton rather easily imo.

 

I think its quite clear, WHEN TALKING ABOUT BOXING, that strength is a reference to functional strength IN A BOXING MATCH, get it?

TECHNICAL skill is not solely a reference to whether one punches straight or not. Blowing your load in four rounds and being KTFO by lamo Brewster sort of counterpoints those nice straight rights eh?

'Technical' skills my ass - Waldo has never thrown a body punch, no uppercuts, no hooks, cant fight on the inside, has panic attacks when any semi-live body fights back, has the worst punch resistance of any champ in history. But hey, that one-two is pretty straight.

 

Ali and Young didn't really hurt Foreman with their punches. Instead, they exhausted him with defensive tactics and took the fight into the later rounds, where Foreman was so fatigued that he fell under his weight, literally.

As for Lyle, he was a brutal puncher. Joe Bugner -- one of the toughest and most experienced contenders of the '70s -- rated Lyle as one of the three most devastating punchers he ever fought.

 

Believe it or not I'd actually consider myself a fan of 'ol Waldo

But I cant abide 17 yr old no-nothings (Iron Duke) blithely asserting that this eminently beatable 'best of a bad bunch' type champion would "easily" beat ATG George Foreman with a jab and a "simple" clinch.

 

:good good post ! PS the 6 foot 210 pound SONNY LITTLE BEAR wouldnt be much competition either dispite what some nostalgia freaks might claim ! :deal

 

Wlad is still far far far more technically sound than Foreman. Foreman would stagger forward with his hangs up like he was trying to catch a baseball and start throwing huge windmills.
It was comical.

Wlad would use his fast jab and straight right to lather Foremans face, Foreman would not be able to push around Wlad like he pushed Frazier around.
Wlad would use his far more accurate and faster straight punches and hit Foreman at will with his zero defence.

 

atsch Getting dropped and retired by a poor mans CHRIS BIRD ( YOUNG ) sure doesnt bode well for GEORGES chances against the much larger and better in every way VLAD bud ! GEORGE gets whacked !:deal

 

i can't disagree with that. foreman has to be the favorite at this point. i probably think it would be a lot more competive than u do though. however, while wlad's competition isnt great, it certainly isn't as bad as many make it out to be. methinks there is a lot of hate and rejection since there is no elite American in the division, therby, perpetuating this "best of a bad bunch" talk. wlad would be a contender in any era.