Wladimir Klitschko All Time Rankings

I don't think hes ahead of Holmes because he suffered too many glaring losses when he wasn't past his prime.

For example Wladimir got blown away by Sanders at 26 and lost to Brewster at 28. Holmes never lost in his prime and was only ever really convincingly beaten at 38 after a 2 year lay off to an ATG Mike Tyson.

 

Wlad held a rematch clause over the WBO which Sanders held. Wlad chose not to activate and fought two soup cans as come back fights as his manager at the time called them.

 

Negative.

Bernd Bonte threatened to cancel the fight unless their terms were granted.

 

Top 15 for me.

H2H he beats some of the guys i rank ahead of him. He beats both Marciano and Frazier. He even has a good chance vs Holmes and Lewis. And Holyfield as well.

I will pick prime Ali to outbox him, prime Foreman to walk through him, Louis being a 50-50 fight, Liston walking through him, Lewis probably beating him but with Wlad having a legit punchers chance.

However, i simply can't rank him top 10. He had 3 losses in his physical prime and none of those were to an all time top 40 heavyweight. He benefited heavily in his reign from some of the most unfair referring i have ever seen. The ref in Ali-Frazier 3 grabbed Ali's hand and told him to stop holding; something no ref would do to Wlad. Wlad should have been disqualified for his disgraceful performances vs the likes of Povetkin among others.

Does he go unbeaten for 10 years without the referring? No. The fact that he was so big made his dirty fighting, leaning and clinching even worse since it allowed him to wear down smaller foes while resting his own legs. Not top 10 for me.

I will admit that he beat more quality southpaws than any heavyweight before him. And that is impressive. But i have him outside my top 10.

Ali, Louis, Holmes, Foreman, Liston, Lewis, Holyfield, Marciano, Frazier and Tyson. Then Wlad, Dempsey, Johnson, Jefferies. I am deciding on the #15th spot. Might even give it to Usyk even though he has only had 6 fights at heavyweight. But i am unsure at the moment.

 

Why do you keep repeating this lie?

Have you forgotten about POST #83?

It's all here, in POST #83

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...e-other-way-round.583384/page-6#post-18454027

 

K2 were the A side. They pick the ref.
The proof was in the illegal performance Wald was allowed to get way with round after round after round.
Do you have anything else you want to be proven wrong about?

 

He was still coming into his own as a fighter and figuring out his style I don't think his losses should be held against him too much since two was because he gassed himself out and 1 was because he got blitzed by an explosive heavy handed fighter which if he was more experienced he would have been able to manage. (though generally I don't hold losses against fighters because then it becomes a whole thing about which losses to count, which to not, I think its a more consistent position to just focus on wins) and overall their resumes are similar enough with Wlad looking much better and more dominant against his opposition while Holmes has several close fights and even in fights he won convincedly he had his struggles.

 

So you argue the ref was on Povetkin's side?
Lol you clownshoe

 

I sometimes wonder what happened to Mongoose and the famous POST #83

 

#7

 

I have him number 10, over Liston but under Tyson.

He held that title a good long while and had some very good fights. It's admittedly not his fault that his era wasn't the 70s or 90s, and he was a pretty active champion. At times almost surgical.