Wladimir Klitschko beats Sonny Liston

Yes, I like Haye and will follow him closely. However, without having had a meaningful fight as a heavyweight, predicting his victory of the current consensus Champ would be premature.

 

It wouldnt be so easy, atleast with new wlad...he would be like lewis leaning backwards...

 

Because their fighting hearts were bigger than their brains. Especially in Bowe's case.

Lewis made a very close fight with Mercer because he didn't mind trading on the inside. Mercer did better than expected with the jab, which is why it's being mentioned often, but most of his best work was on the inside.

Yes, and for the following reasons:
-Wlad has better footspeed than Liston.
-Wlad has better handspeed than Liston.
-Wlad has a long actual punching reach than Liston. Liston may have a longer wingspan, but anyone who has boxed knows that height, speed and timing are much more important in terms of getting punches from the outside off. Ali has a measured reach anywhere from 79 to 82, yet he totally dominated Liston's 84. Williams is measured at 80", but his arms look at least as long if not longer than Liston's on film. You could call the timing factor even, but Klitschko holds an edge in speed and a huge edge in height here.
-Wlad knows how to use his size to stay on the outside better than almost anyone in history.

Liston is more relaxed for sure. But given the blatant way Liston gave up after cheating didn't work i cannot see how you can give Liston an edge in heart. Inexplicable actually. Wlad has always gotten up and gone on no matter the odds. When things get rough on Liston, there's no telling what he'll do, as we saw.

 

Better choise than Peter..wlad learn quickly....Peter has no chance anymore.

Haye get almost Ko'ed by Mock who is no hard puncher. But still because Hayes punching power and speed i give him better chance than Peter...

 

I've boxed all my life. While I doubt its even possible to box at any serious level in the Nederlands. So there's the 'anyone who's boxed' crap dealt with.


Reach is relatively more important than height, imo
Liston also had better timing obviously.
Klitshcko has quicker hands.

 

Belive me, your choice Peter will get grushed next time.

 

Klitschko is completely stiff at the waist as well, absolutely zero upper body movement, never slipped punch in his life. these sort of subtleties (well, subtle to young guys who think a 6'6" guy with bulging biceps is invincible) make all the difference in fighting from range. Lets not forget Klitschko's chin, which makes him extremely tentative and fearful against even someone as inept as Sultan Igbragimov.

 

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I pick Klitshcko to beat Peter on points...

 

Firstly, Sultan Igbragimov give very hard fight to Savon in amateur ring. His skilled fighter, but he was totally without gun's against wladimir. Klitchkos chin is average not better or worst.

Ps.Emanuel Stewart was very weak boxer, but good trainer. His boxing eyes is good.

 

No, peter will be ko'ed...

 

disagree

same with joe louis victims

bigger but much less skilled and powerful than liston. liston had 15" fists and 84" reach, superheavyweight dimensions. he could easily carry extra weight.

Ray mercer was same height as liston, similiar style, he was 36 and he fought lennox dead even fight. outjabbed and outphyiscaled lennox. I think this fight shows u liston would defintley take lennox.

lewis did not pocess as much power. lennox never floored a rated durable opponent. liston annihalated a rated granite chin fighter in 58 seconds. lennox could defintley hit but i rate his power slightly below listons and foremans.

liston had the much better body attack, and his uppercut repoirtre was far better. liston was a much better infighter than lennox too.

is this a joke? lennox struggled with frank bruno, ray mercer, holyfield rematch, vitali klitschko, hasim rahman, oliver mcall, all exposed lennox in these fights.

listons top opposition patterson valdez williams folley machen were all clearly cleanly beaten.

liston in his prime never showed a stylistic problem. he dominated his top opposition with ease. you could mention clay, but no one in history had leg speed and movement like clay, certainly not lennox.

liston was never twice knocked out by one punch near his prime by non world beaters.

liston is the more scientific boxer, much better jab, and more accurate with his punches, and he equaled lennox in reach.

 

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Liston is a monster and Wlad isn't fast enough to avoid Sonny like Ali.

 

Yeah Ross Purrity and Lamon Brewster had lightning fast hands

 

add to that mental toughness, stamina, inside fighting skills, jab and perhaps well talk. thing is wlad doesnt have it. liston is pretty much better in all areas than wlad outside of handspeed.



you call urself a fighter and u think wlad looks better on film than liston?