Wladimir Klitschko beats Sonny Liston

yes he used to have back in the 1990s but not anymore, he barely uses it(save austin fight).....steward made him go right hand crazy.



so do u pick wlad over liston or not?


how do u thing liston does vs ross purrity 37 year old corrie sanders and lamon brewster? knockout knockout knockout

 

LOL ya klitschko sure showed alot of heart with his mental panic attacks against brewster and purrity.

O lord, i was waiting for this. Proping up sanders to something of a freak of nature immortal god. sanders was a lucky journeyman plain and simple. wlad was the first contender he had ever beaten which reflects really badly on wlad. sanders had already been exposed by hasim rahman and nate tubbs.



Liston showed he could fight 12 rounds hard pace, wlad has never shown this outside of a peter fight in which he was floored 3 times by the very crude peter and nearly had another panic attack and quit.

 

I have to applaud u. you are the first person ( on ESB) that came forward and agreed with me on this. On other sites, sanders gets nowhere near worshipped as he does on ESB. ESB is a big klit fan base, thats why.

 

A few things. Wlad left hook is devastating. I suggest you watch the McCline, Shufford, Barrett, or Mercer fights in the 2000's. Or if you prefer, watch the Peter fight, or the Byrd fights.

Purity was lucky to catch a 22 year old Wlad who had never gone past 8, going 12, with a bone head corner not telling him to quit looking for the knockout in front if his home town fans.

Sanders speed, size, and power could upset just about anyone, and this includes Liston. Liston is not bulletproof. I have seen most of Sanders stuff on the way up, and in some cases, he was even more impressive than Liston was.

Brewster would be the toughest puncher Liston ever meet. Far tougher than Williams, and Brewster hit just as hard as the Big Cat did.

I believe Wlad's would have at least one less loss if Stewart was in his corner for the Purrity, and Sanders fights.

 

Brewster has quick hands. Maybe not lighting, but quick for sure. Speed was not Brewster's problem.

 

:shock:

 

LOL. Is this a joke? i watched brewster get shutout by ettiene and shufford, and he was lucky to escape a split decision win over a 37 year old C level Kelli Meehan in which he couldnt even floor meehan. meehan was easily flattened by rahman.

Big Cat and is in a different league than brewster, its not even close. I think nino valdez was a better all around puncher than brewster. Valdez shows tremendous power and aggresiveness on film I have.

 

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Wlad was a undefeated olympic champion with 24 pro bouts in front of his hometown fans ahead on points with 1 round to go, there is NO EXUSE.

 

No, it is not a joke. Brewster would be the most durable puncher Liston ever fought. Brewster also beat better fighters than Cleveland Willaims did. Valdez a better puncher than Brewster? I don't think many woudl agree with you.

 

Hey, we have the Dutch Sonny Liston!

No, he's not. Liston plodded forward cluelessly against both Ali and Machen and never cut off the ring.

How so? Liston couldn't land any decent shot on the defensively minded Machen. Wlad was beating Byrd all night long. Perhaps you think Machen is better than Byrd, but the difference is still large: a close fight vs a total shutout.

The Bruno fight went only 6 rounds until it was about even and then he ended it by knockout. Did Folley and Lyle show they stylistically bothered Ali because they were even on the cards untill the 6th? Did Louis show he bothered Marciano stylistically because he was even until the 6th? They won the fights by knockout, you can't just extrapolate the first 6 rounds to the last 6. Same with the Klitschko fight, which by the way came at 37. Should we add the Martin fight to Liston's stylistic problems for that reason? Klitschko was stopped in 6.


Liston couldn't land a punch on movers like both Machen and Clay, yet he never showed a stylistic problem?

That's cool and i know that as a fan you have a kneejerk reaction to "retaliate", but we were discussing heart and what you brought up has nothing to do with it.

Wlad stayed off the ropes for 12 rounds against Peter, since Steward trains him his stamina is excellent. And his jab needs improvement? It's better than Liston's as it is.

No, i would favor Liston. Much depends also on how Wlad continues his career.

What are you talking about? He was dead tired in both and kept fighting in both until the end. Liston quit under adversity after cheating didn't work. Arguably twice.



And yeah, it's kind of funny that Brewster is not in Williams' league as a fighter, but for some magical reason does have the career better wins. Really gotta hand it to those old timers.

 

dead tired in 4 rounds against brewster? so your essentially claiming wladimir klitschko has horrible stamina. After wlad lossed to brewster, every single ring magazine article I had claimed wlad lacked heart and mental toughness. He simply could not toughen it out under pressure vs purrity and brewster.

Not Really he is another fighter who made a career out of beating wladimir klitschko. perhaps wlad is not as good as we think if all these no names are making careers with knockouts over him. Before you bring up the destruction of golota which i watched live, its worth noting golota was pretty much washed up by this point.

Absolutley not. Liston threw his jab very activley and always efficiently, he didnt just use it offensively but defensivley to keep his opponent off him, and help him find his range. wlad paws with his jab way too much at times.


Steward trains his stamina? Wlad showed some stamina relapses against sam peter. on the 3rd knockdown he went down from exhaustion more than anything else. he damm near had another panic attack like vs brewster and purrity and lost. his career would have been finished.




how much do you hold wladimir klitschko knockout loss to trial horse ross purrity despite being well ahead with 1 round to go, had 24 pro bouts including extensive amatuer career with olympic gold?

 

i'm sure most of these guys never saw liston fight,wlad would be running like a sissy.only time before liston caught up and ko'd him,sonny was a badd man

 

No he is not. They are roughly the same.

Williams was beaten by some decidedly mediocre fighters and went the distance against some chinny opponents. He is routinely over-rated by those who have not examined his record closely or seen him fight on tape.

I would pick Brewster to KO him head to head.

 

Answer me this.......Who defeated a Near prime cleveland williams other than sonny liston and controversial split decision loss to ernie terrell(who he had already knocked out)??? Are liston and terell both future HW champions mediocre? brewster was exposed by mediocre fighters in his prime, it took very good fighters in williams prime to beat him. from 1957-1964 he lost just 3 times twice too an ATG, and once controversial split decision to top contender. post 1964 he was shot literally and figuratly. brewster had some embarrasing losses and performances near his prime.


Lamon Brewster near his prime was shutout by D level clifford Ettiene and Charles Shufford. he also got badly outboxed by liahovich and was lucky to escape with a decision against 37 year old journeyman kelli meehan.



Williams is leagues above brewster as a boxer. Williams was very difficult to outbox, because of his fast hands, good fundamentals, and quick movement, but brewster on the other hand with his average movement, below average defense and fundamentals was pretty easy to outbox, and very average fighters shut brewster out on the cards. i really think theres no comparison. williams never lost wide decisions to journeyman in his prime.