Wladimir Klitschko - Dr. Steelhammer

Wlad isn't an ATG ? Lol

Cmon bro he doesn't deserve this. He dominated most of his era easily for about a decade

 

Humor aside for a moment, yes, Wlad's uppercut was a little weird looking. Both guys have a lot of punches with an ungainly look to them, like they're just flailing their oversized, humans-weren't-meant-to-be-this-big bodies and hoping to hit something.

 

So Wlad was only good because of his trainer and that makes Lewis better even though he used the same trainer? By your logic you could say Lewis was only good because he hired Steward to train him.

 

Listen Bozo, Lennox rematched and beat both of the people that that beat him. Wlad ran and hid from Sanders and let his Brother handle it for him. The Wlad/Sanders fight was not competitive.
Lennox got caught by two punches and got up both times and protested as they stopped the fight. The Lennox chin was fine. Vitali couldn't crack it. Lennox didn't go down that fight and he BEAT HIM. Do you understand now ?
The circus is coming for you, leave me alone.

 

Wlad's technique on straights and hooks was true enough, but his general reluctance to bring shots up is attributable to both a limited situational intuition/understanding of when to use the uppercut at his preferred range (his length was a double-edged sword in this regard, but a potentially risky punch can't land you in trouble if you put it in mothballs) and a limited interest in/capacity for fighting on the inside (the Jennings clip says it all in that respect). Same story with his disinterest in working the body, really.

Aside from being more teachable, Fury possesses greater adaptability and improvisational ability and has honed a keen situational sense (method to his seeming madness).



David Price is a good example of how a big, rangy man can go terribly wrong with the uppercut, his was always a disaster waiting to happen (funny, because, while it was always easy to identify it as more of a liability than an asset, guys raved about his use of that shot at lower levels prior to the Thompson bout);

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Wlad is not an ATG or a GOAT. Puritty exposed him and Sanders/Brewster nearly ended his career.
To his credit he fought Brewster again but Brewster was coming off a loss when he rematched him
and was pretty much shot. Wlad timed and chose the remainder of his opponents well and stretched
his run but Manny had everything to do with that. Wlad did a lot with what he had but ATG ? I don't think so.
That said he should be honored for defending Ukraine.

 

Like Lewis V Tyson or Ali v Frazier then? Should they have been disqualified too? I suggest you go watch both because on average there was about 10/12 clinches/holds per round in the Lewis fight (initiated mostly by Lennox).. in fact he was warned multiple times and deducted points for it .. foreman in commentary was having a meltdown because there was so much of it LOL.. & in the Ali fight you literally lose count it goes into the hundreds .. Y'all at least need to be consistent and stop acting like these things are exclusive to men like Klitschko.. in reality it's pretty standard for the heavyweight division in particular…

 

But Manny helped Lewis the way he helped Klitschko become great

 

That's your opinion.. that's all it is .. purely opinion and a subjective discussion. I mean who gets to set the criteria and adjudicate on this stuff? & what makes them so special? My personal opinion is an all-time great is probably somebody who is considered to have dominated there era and who has attributes that would translate well to other eras , I can see Vladimir doing well in that regard … His size, athleticism, jab and footwork alone would be a handful for a lot of great heavyweights from the past… yes he was far from perfect and had his flaws & no he wouldn't beat everybody obviously… but the rolling out the three losses thing in his younger years , acting like he didn't beat better fighters than those three is unoriginal and bottom of the barrel reasoning. By the way there was some shady **** around the first Brewster fight… a don King special… So much so the FBI investigated it .. make of that what you will

Other than that there was purrity who he was dominating but gassed, a rookie mistake and Sanders who I actually think is underrated anyway so I don't see shame in losing to him.. if Sanders had the right backing & dedicated himself more to the sport he could've been an exceptional champion as well. I could list dozens of great fighters that had losses to much lesser men.. JLC, Hagler, Pac, Duran etc.. it's not exclusive to Klitschko… my opinion is he's an all-time great. He's just dismissed as such by many because the division had swayed away somewhat from America and Britain and was opening up more to the eastern bloc et cetera.. but just like in divisions past it was dominated by two or three men.. K2 & Povetkin.. two of which were Olympic gold medallists. Unfortunately they all couldn't fight each other though because they were brothers. I believe those three would do well in most areas, win some and lose some.

 

Doubt you ever saw either of them fight

 

You can't tell morons facts like that dude

 

If you throw enough punches you'll hit yourself eventually.

 

Wlad is a true All time great. 18 consecutive title defenses and 23 over all. 11 years unbeaten as champion. Class inside and outside the ring. Only faults were he was boring. Dominance can be boring sometimes.
H2H nightmare. Even at ages 39 and 41 he ran today’s best close

 

One of the most disgraceful things ever seen in a ring. Mind boggling how people can count this as a feather in his cap.

 

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