Wladimir Klitschko has a very good resume..where does it rate in history

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Wins over following fighters

    Ruslan Chagaev
    Eddie Chambers
    Chris Byrd 2x
    Hasim Rahman
    Samuel Peter
    Lamon Brewster
    Tony Thompson
    Sultan Ibragimov
    Ray Austin
    Calvin Brock
    Jameel Mccline
    Derrick Jefferson

    All of these men were either top 10 by Ring Magazine, or Mandatories when Wladimir fought them. This right here is called cleaning out your era. All that is left is Havid Haye and Povetkin.

    Other decent wins for Wladimir that weren't top 10 include

    Monte Barrett
    David Bostice
    Ray Mercer
    Axel Shulz
    Francois Botha

    3 of Wlad's losses came against unrated fighters...but Wladimir's record against Ring Magazine top 10 fighters is an astounding 11-0 with 8 knockouts.


    Where does this win resume rate in heavyweight history? I would say near the top depth wise, but needs improvement quality wise. Haye and Povetkin will help.
     
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    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Don't forget Monte Barret, Francois Botha. Ray Mercer, Phil Jackson, Axel Schulz...

    All good wins. Not all were world class, peaking opponents, but they were almost all demo jobs over pretty solid competition. Wladimir was still learning as well.
     
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    ...Vitali KO1 Wladimir.
     
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    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Yep. I only included the Mandatories and top 10 fighters, but I do know about those wins. Another win which was good "at the time" was david bostice, a 22-1 prospect.
     
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    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it will soon be arguable that he is around Lennox Lewis status, but it really will depend on what some of his victims end up actually doing.
     
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    I could disect this, attack the statement from different angles, compare records, manner of wins/losses, level of opposition etc

    Instead I'll just say you're a fruitloop.

    The fact that a win over Haye would probably be his best says it all.
    Haye would have got murdered in the 90's and wouldn't have dared move from CW.
     
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    Lewis out-boxed top 14 lock Evander Holyfield past his prime, beat his immediate successor as #1 in Vitali, lost less, got knocked out less, looks better and more complete on film. All Wlad really has going for him is an advantage in longevity, which is maginal and was earned versus weaker competition.

    Big gap.

    But his resume is better than Vitali's and I think he will be remembered as the greater brother.
     
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    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    In all seriousness, leaving aside my first comment, which was just friendly ribbing...I was thinking more like Wlad might surpass Floyd Patterson. Not p4p but as a heavyweight champ. I also don't think he's even in the Lewis vicinity.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Mcgrain,

    Lewis beat a far past his prime holyfield. That's not the same as beating the holyfield of early 1990s.

    Also Wlad was the # 1 rated ring magazine contender in 01 and 02. Perhaps a fight with Lennox should have been made.
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    But still better than any scalp Wlad has dangling from his belt.
     
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    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Possibly, but also debatable. That same version of Holyfield split 36 rounds with John Ruiz. I have serious doubts if Evander of 99 could have beaten Chris Bryd. He certainly didn't come close a couple years later. How about Ruslan Chagaev? Undefeated WBA champion.
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I don't think it is debatable. I think that even if you beat a faded great if he is still champion you lift some of that lustre. That's just the way it is.

    Chagaev? Not for me. Not post-hepatitis, post-achillies tendon. Chagaev v Holyfield right now would be competitive.
     
  13. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you kidding?
     
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    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I can agree here. You didn't address my other point about Lennox not fighting the Ring Magazine # 1 contenders for 2 straight years in a row...Wladimir Klitschko in 2001 and 2002. Perhaps Wlad could have had a legacy definining moment against Lennox..or against an older holyfield/tyson. Looking back, I don't know why any of these fights were made.
     
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    Did you watch the holyfield-Ruiz Trilogy? That is the same Holyfield that Lennox fought.