Wladimir Klitschko has a very good resume..where does it rate in history

1. Lewis did age better than Liston. You think he should be penalized for that. I don't.

2. "I think the big difference between Lennox and Liston is Liston fought the best fighters of his generation in their primes"

There are other big differences

A. Liston didn't defeat the best fighter he fought, and indeed lost badly twice. Lewis did defeat everyone he fought.

B. Liston's generation is quite a bit shorter than Lewis' generation. Every top man Liston defeated was from the 1956 to 1965 era. He defeated one champion who reigned from 1956 to 1959 & 1960 to 1962, and who suffered a devastating ko defeat in 1959. His other major victims were contenders of the same period-Machen, Folley, Williams. Lewis defeated one of the top two heavyweights of the eighties (Tyson), one of the top two heavyweights of the nineties (Holyfield), and one of the top two or three heavyweights of the last decade (Vitali). These men were recogized as champions off and on from 1986 (Tyson) to 2010 (Vitali). The men Lewis defeated simply had far more impact on the heavyweight division than the men Liston defeated.

 

No offense, but pretty vague evidence. What do you think Liston's real name was then?

Anything is possible, of course, but the census evidence points to the early thirties.

 

1. Holyfield was still capable of beating Ruiz and Rahman years later. When discussing Wlad's placement in history, these men or men who beat these men were supposed to be very positive accomplishments. Frankly, why would one expect the Patterson of 1962 to defeat the Holyfield of 1999. Nor would I consider him a good bet against Vitali.

2. "Who did Lennox ever defeat that compares to a prime Muhammad Ali?"

Who did Liston ever defeat who compares to a prime Muhammad Ali?

Ali seems beside the point as Liston lost to him so badly. It is hard to believe Lewis at any point in his career (even 2003) would not have done better.

 

Sorry mate but that's nonsense. Lewis didn't get KO'd by McCall. The Rahman Ko was legitimate enough but damn you can't compare either of them to Liston's losses to Ali, different ball-park.

 

you're right. the Losses that Lewis has are so much worse considering Ali is so much better then McCall and Rahman. Who would you rather lose to? Arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time or those guys?

 

:happy:happy

 

Lennox defeated Vitali

 

So, you think Vitali is comparable to Ali? :rofl

 

None of Lennox's wins compare to Ali.
Although Lewis does have a great resume and career, just wish he could've fought bowe

 

Doesn't determining what counts as a "great win" entail as much "guesswork" as evaluating a fighter's H2H ability? Presumably, achievements have a lot to do with quality of opposition, which is something obviously related to the ability of the opponent.