Wladimir Klitschko has incredible defense

If he goes on a couple more years and sees off the new batch of challengers, Fury included, then you can only say we're looking at a strong GOAT contender. Very hard man to land clean on, at range or.close up. After 25 championship fights there's nothing he hasn't seen.

 

This is a new low , even for you:barf

Type incredible heavyweight defence into google and what will you see?

Nothing but Mike Tyson.

Show me just once video , article - anything that praises Wlads
'incredible defence ' ??

You won't find any because he has some of the worst defensive capabilities of all time.

He excessively uses illegal grapples , bear hugs, neck locks , full nelsons , leaning , shoving , elbowing - - because his defensive skills are non existent.

A defensive master can avoid all forms of contact. A guy you can't touch.
Hugging and leaning is contact. When you ban him from using those illegal tactics he is wide open.
Ie - The Brewster fight.
Luckily Wlad has no elite level boxers in front of him that would negate his holding because as his flaws would be exposed.

 

His sheer size alone is just a part of his overall talent.
He's the most talented 6'6 guy there's ever been. And for a comparison, Muhammad Ali was the most talented 6'2 1/2 guy there's even been...

Newsflash: Tyson Fury's the most talented 6'8 guy up to date!

 

Besides clinching he has the ability to move out of range very quickly which makes him hard to catch. He either smothers you inside or moves out of range when the opponent is on the attack.

But yeah, his reactions are getting slower. He's getting old.

 

Just to be clear, no one will ever view him as the GOAT of his division. Absolutely no one. I'm sure you meant just for HW's also because if you meant GOAT P4P, wel that would be even sillier to state.

People need to factor in who he's beating. He's fought around 65 times and has yet to fight one HOF bound fighter. I'm sorry, but that something that really hurts his overall resume.

How can this guy be viewed with the likes of Ali, Foreman and Joe Louis?? Those guys have beat several hall of fame fighters and campaigned during a time when the HW division was littered with quality fighters.

I have serious questions as to how wladimir would've performed in the golden era of the HW division in the 1970's.

And to answer your post directly, there is one common denominator in his 25 title wins-- none of those wins were against hall of fame bound fighters. These guys he beat would've been gatekeepers at best during the thriving periods of the HW division.

I mean let's be honest, his biggest wins are against Sam peters and povetkin. Enough said.

 

This. That's not so much about his defensive skills. He is just very good at controlling his opponents, setting pace and distance with his jab.

As for me, he looks past his prime, and didn't look as good against Povetkin, Pulev and Jennings, but still he defeated all of them confidently. And these fighters are the finest ones in the division today.

 

People just keep forgetting that most "Golden Era" HWs were just American cruiser weights.. sure enough, there were plenty of epic battles back then. Doesn´t mean they would just steamroll todays HWs. Comparison is pointless and impossible so let´s just try to enjoy the fights we have. Wlad will be gone in a couple of years and the next crop seems quite competitive to me: Fury, Wilder, Parker, AJ, Pov, Takam, Ruiz, Helenius etc can give us some fun fights if the promoters and ABCs don´t fcuk it up.

 

When he's beating and mostly knocking out all his opponents how are they supposed to be HOF? Frazier was HOF because he actually beat and knocked over Ali, George Foreman then knocked over Frazier and Ali knocked over Foreman, so they all go to the HOF. If WK isn't losing to anybody and keeps on winning there is nothing he can about that. The only way another fighter is going to be HOF is when one knocks him over and beats him and he wins the return, even then I doubt he gets the credit. Fury has a chance to be HOF next, just as Jennings and Pulev and all the rest before them had.

 

The guy is 6'7 and has a huge frame to aim at, but he doesn't take that much punishment.

That is good defense.

 

MP....Don't throw stones at a glass house.

 

Because he uses that size advantage to smother his opponents. He uses size as an illegal defence. Size isn't a skill.

If Valuev octopused his way through all his opposition , would he have incredible defence too?:roll:

 

Yet you continously bring it up for Fury as if it was.....oh the double standard!

 

you cant blame wlad for fighting dirty like he does, hes just bending the rules in usually home territory/judge.

lots of people do that. Hopkins is an archetype for it, although he does fight better opps than wlad even towards his 50s.


At the same time, you have to accept wald is an exteremely, cheaty, dirty fighter if you are going to not blame him for taking advantage of these things.

 

There is way more to Wlad's defence than just clinching, the key is his footwork, he has superb ability to get out of range of his opponent, certainly better than any other heavyweight I have seen

 

Tyson had better defense under Rooney.I would also say Vitali was better defensively.Holmes wasn't bad either as was Byrd .Not many over Wlad,I would put in his class.