Wladimir klitschko is slaughtered for his level of opposition

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Madmanc, Sep 30, 2014.


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  1. Madmanc

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    You said all we have to do is compile a list of their 15 greatest victories
    Which is dumb because I'm not arguing that one is better than the other in the first place,hence why I said dumb,then you say prove you wrong,prove ****ing what wrong dick head ?
     
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  2. GGGIsABum

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    LOL.

    Vlad fought a B level monster in a speedboat and lost.
     
    GGGIsABum, Oct 10, 2014
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  3. Nonito Smoak

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    Your whole implication is that Louis is not one of the best HW's and is not a top 50 ATG and you even said he's nowhere close to one.

    If that is the case, then Wladimir shouldn't be too far behind Louis, right? (unless you literally don't think Wladimir is a top 25 HW)

    Where do you think Wladimir falls in the "best HW's ever" argument I guess is the major question to ask... You are making direct comparisons between Louis and Wladimir. You have stated your opinion on Louis' greatness, what do you think about Wladimir's place among HW greats?

    Because if you think Wladimir is a top 10 or even top 20 HW, and that Louis is nowhere near the best, then their resumes and accomplishments shouldn't be too wide apart, correct? Thus, Wladimir should have some accomplishments and victories which stack up to Louis (and that is what I have been trying to get you to show).
     
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  4. Bert Cooper

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  5. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    And...?

    Same goes for every HW in that era, the eras before it, and several era's after it...
     
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  6. Nonito Smoak

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  7. Bert Cooper

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    But not today! :thumbsup
     
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  8. Bert Cooper

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  9. Nonito Smoak

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    1930's and 1940's... Heavyweight = 175+ pounds

    Tell me which fighters Louis faced that weren't Heavyweights again?
     
    Nonito Smoak, Oct 10, 2014
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  10. Bert Cooper

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    Most of them weighed less than 200 pounds. Louis lost twice to guys that weighed 184 pounds. Doesn't matter to me if 70 years ago 175 pound guys were considered heavyweights.
     
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  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    ...OK.

    You realize the premise of this thread is in regards to resume and not your H2H opinion?

    How can you blatantly ignore divisions and the opinions of every single fighter and trainer from that time period? Just stupid talk...
     
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  12. Bert Cooper

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    And Louis' resume is filled with boxers who weighed less than 200 pounds and/or had 9 or more losses.

    What would boxers and trainers from the 1940's know about boxers of the future?
     
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  13. Madmanc

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    The fact of the losses that is my whole entire point,thank you.what is so great about beating someone 10 other fighters have beaten.what is so great about beating someone a full division below you ?
    Fighters back then where inducted into the hof too easy.
    Joe Louis has numerous hall of famers on his record,if you dissect their resume's none of them should be in,none of the heavyweights anyway.

    As for where do I rank else,prob around 12-13 off the top of my head and Louis probably around 7-8. Head to head way down but a lot due to size
     
    Madmanc, Oct 10, 2014
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  14. The Mongoose

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    By all means, the final word is yours...
     
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  15. HerolGee

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    so if some slobby 400 pound fatboy wins the HW title one day amongst a sea of smaller fatboysd, you would rate him above Louis due to size?

    this is boxing we are talking about, not playground pile -on.
     
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