Wladimir Klitschko IS the heavyweight champion of the world.

Who said he was afraid of Peter? I certainly never did.....

Nice try to deflect the argument, but I don't buy into that BS. Wlad being afraid has nothing to do with you believing that Peter won't sign to fight Klitscho. That is our topic.

 

Peter wasnt the WBC champ when he fought Wlad, thats the difference to now.

Talking about the Ring belt, Vitali held the Ring belt and was considered THE champ, Peter follows the direct lineage from Vitali [and Lewis] so has the greatest claim.

After Lewis retired Vitali Klitschko faced Sanders who had just knocked out Wladimir Klitschko and the winner was considered THE champ and recieved the Ring belt. The winner won Lewis`s title, then from Vitali, Rahman, Maskaev, it mow rests with Peter.

At the time that Vitali won the title Wlad had been ko`d by Sanders, Byrd held a belt but wasnt considered champ, Vitali was considered THE man, he held the ring belt and WBC, Wlad went on to win Byrds belt but since Byrd wasnt considered champ it meant nothing.
The true lineage from Lewis who retired as Undisputed champion went to Vitali, even many Klitschko fans considered that Vitali actually beat Lewis anyway. Peter holds that lineage, that lineage also goes back to Wlads unavenged defeat to Sanders. Technically the true lineage of the WBO title went to Vitali in his match with WBO champion and Wlad conqueror Sanders.

Now that Vitali is coming back and as the undefeated former champion he is facing his succesor Peter and that will solidify the winner as the true champ along the true lineage from Lewis as well as holding the true WBO lineage. The Wbo lineage that Wlad holds only comes from a vacant championship fought between Wlad and Brewster in which Wlad was ko`d.

The Peter Vitali winner is the real champ.

 

I am getting specially annoyed with this talk of The Ring handing over the belt to Wlad. If that Independent Board does that, Wlad is not going to do anything else in order to improve the situation in the Division cause that's all any given fighter would want and he would want - to be the Champion and not to do any other kind of effort to meet other top rated heavies... As for the time being, Wlad already stated that he's not fighting any of the WBC ranked Hwts because Vitaly wants "his" title back. So let's suppose that Vitaly fights for and wins the WBC title... It will forever be undecided who's the Heavyweight Champion of the World. Fighters have to earn their merits in the ring and Wlad has not proven that he would beat any given heavy out there.

 

I get so tired of this "who is the champion"...simply because there is no champion.

Everyone´s so eager to have an undisputed champ, they seriously suggesting handing away awards, talking about "linear champion".

IMO oppinion that is just bull****.

There will be no linear champion until a fighter has beaten ALL the other beltholders, WBC, WBA, WBO and IBF that is. Then we can start a new journey with lineage....

Noone beat Lewis for his belts, and after that noone beat Vitaly Klitschko, which didn´t beat Lennox in the first place.
So take that linear bull**** elsewhere...

My point is that there´s noone with a bigger claim, not Klitschko for having two of the belts....not Peter because he has the WBC strap...and by default should be ahead of Wladimir simply because the WBC strap was the most genuine...even though he lost to Wladimir.

Today the WBC doesn´t shine more than the other straps...the ABC´s just a mess...all that matters is the fights that has been made / will be made.

The politics makes it really hard for anyone to unify all the titles, but that isn´t new.

Who really IS THE BEST FIGHTER, is something completely different, has nothing to do with officially BEING THE UNDISPUTED champion.
By the way it probably differs among us who is the best fighter, and that´s why unification is so important. And by that I don´t really mean getting all the straps, I´m talking about fighting all the best fighters out there.

This hasn´t happened yet, so IMO noone can claim to be THE CHAMPION.
There´s a big difference between saying ALL HAS THE SAME RIGHT TO CLAIM beeing THE CHAMPION and saying that NOONE HAS THAT RIGHT at the moment.

Just my oppinion.

 

Well, IMO (which of course, is no better than anybody elses), the WBO counts for ****. Any belt that recently has had Shannon Briggs as its "World Champion" doesn't count.

It just happens that in some divisions, the best fighter has the WBO, but it's not quite there yet.

IF somebody gets the WBC, WBA and IBF. That's enough for me.

I also agree with the poster above me. No belt (of those 3) carries more weight than the others. The WBC are doing their best to make their belt a joke.

The only exception I would make I guess is if (lets say) 1 fighter had 2 belts, and another had 1 and they arranged the fight. IF one of the sanctioning bodies stripped one of the fighters for fighting the other guy and not a mandatory, that would be OK, as the belt wasn't lost in the ring.

(Like happened with Tszyu at 140 for example).



As for linear? That ended with Lewis.
The Ring? That ended with Vitali. But it SHOULD have ended with Lewis also.

 

Jose "The Bandit" Sulaiman is extremely close to Don King.

 

Don King will do all he can to get Peter out of fighting Vitali. Christy Martin vs. Sam Peter any?

 

wlad is the #1 heavy and unless he loses people need to deal with it

man the HW division blows so hard. we need a star bad. a young, exciting, and bad ass fighter

 

Vlad is doing the best he can to get unified title.

 

true farm at least he made the effort

chagaev is out there trying to fight the kransqui's of the world

 

While Wlad is out there trying to fight the Ray Austins and Calvin brocks of the world.

Make a deal with King. Get it over and done with. Every other heavy champ has done it to unify the division, so why the **** should Wlad get a free pass? Not got faith he'll win?


Wlad beat Iggy. Big ****ing deal. How did he get his belt? From Shannon "the statue" Briggs. Remember that.


Is Wlad the best? I think so.

I'd like to see him fight Chagaev, Valuev (just for curiosity) and Peter again.

I think he'd win them all, and would happily proclaim him as the champ if he did. But until then, he's just PROBABLY the best.

Hey, I thought he'd beat Sanders and Brewster, so you can't prove **** outside the ring.