Wladimir Klitschko is the White Lennox Lewis

Lennox fought Superior opponents though, by far

And I dont know what your talking about, Wlad is obviously very cautious, hence Steward having to scream at him for not letting his punches go

 

atschI expect this **** from noobs but your so blinded with brother love that you ignore a basic fact that numbers dont tell the story. Watch the fights. Done with this convo. Peace out.

 

But the numbers say otherwise so clearly our eyes are wrong and we arent seeeing what we are seeing. The numbers say Mike Tyson and George Foreman fought cautious compared to Wlad.atsch

 

Exactly... facts only seem to support my case. However, your biased and completely unfounded opinions for some reason or another... in your mind... should outweigh the facts and the clear logic that can be used when discussing matters such as this. What a "noob" I must be to use actual facts to back up my statements.

 

:nut

I remember seeing two punches (as 1 + 1 = 2) which Lewis couldn't deal with very well. Forget about the combos....

 

don't worry. like any real artist, wlad will be appreciated AFTER he retires. people are so damn stubborn that they hurt themselves by not appreciating what is available. i can remember when lennox was fighting, and getting KO'd, struggling with bruno, being boring, etc etc etc to being the GOAT in many peoples eyes.

I believe the cliche is "You don't know what ya got until it's gone" rings extremely loud in the case of wladimir. imagine if him and his bro werent around. youd have fat pigs like arreola fighting ancient warriors like holyfield for the undisputed championship.

I did not appreciate Lennox when he was around, but theres no way im making the same mistake twice. Too many people are just so damn stupid. Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me. So shame on all you idiots that say the klits suck. LOL. I wonder what that says for the almost 100 fighters put in front of the two of them. It is attitudes like this that is destroying boxing. Instead of praising the top fighters, too many dummies chop them down, and this is what the average sports fan hears. "The champions suck ass, the guys that are the best, so why should i even bother to watch the sport. Isnt UFC 1000 on this weekend?"

 

No in boxing the facts are in the fights and the fighters not the numbers.

According to the "numbers" Rocky Maricano must be unbeatable.:thinkAccording to the "numbers" Vitaly is a harder puncher then Wlad since he has a higher KO%.

 

Nobody said that Wlad doesn't fight cautious under Steward. Steward also yelled... even very famously at Lennox Lewis about letting his punches go. What's your point? You can fight cautious and still go for the kill. Just because Wlad doesn't come running across the ring like a ******ed alcoholic and swing wildly at his opponent doesn't mean that he doesn't try to take his opponents out. Are you guys boxing fans, or toughman fans?

Also saying that Lennox fought "superior opponents" is EXTREMELY debatable and only your opinion. For instance, beating Mike Tyson at the stage that Lewis did means absolutely nothing. It would have been more impressive for him to beat Kevin McBride at that point... as McBride and Danny Williams proved when they both also stopped Tyson. (even quicker)atsch Much like when Lewis had his very lackluster win over the old Evander Holyfield who was clearly past his best. The same Holyfield who ended up fighting an even trilogy with John Ruiz directly afterward.:-(

It isn't all about names and star power. Today's heavyweights simply don't have the media backing that fighters used to have. Especially fighters who were popular in the US. FFS, the division was considered weak as hell during the 90's and only now do people pretend it was amazing. You had old guys like George Foreman who could hardly move coming into the division and becoming Champ. You had Tyson in and out of prison, Holy in and out of the hospital, Bowe in and out of the fat farm, Golota in and out of the mental ward, and McCall in and out of crack rehab. Then you had Lennox Lewis who managed to not fight the best guys in the division during their prime... waiting until they all fought each other and burnt out... then he became the recognized Champ when they all fell off. Sorry, but I'm not blown away by it. Nor am I blown away by his "title reign" after he became recognized champ by beating Holyfield. Take a look at it... it's weak.

 

No. See.. once again you aren't able to look at facts and understand their meaning.

According to the numbers Marciano was undefeated. Which he was. There are other fighters who are undefeated as well... doesn't mean that they are unbeatable... it means that they haven't been beat. See how that works?

Lesson #2. Having a higher knockout ratio doesn't neccessarily mean that you are a harder puncher. However, we can't turn around and say that Vitali doesn't go for the kill and doesn't stop his opponents like Wlad does. Because clearly... the facts prove otherwise. The facts prove that he does in fact look to take his opponents out and does so at an extremely high rate. Pretty simple, isn't it?

 

What?

Mind you, I do think it was a little bit misguided to post a vid of Lennox knocking a decent opponent out in the 2nd round to suggest similarities with Wlad '8th to 12th' Klitschko.

 

:good

 

Nobody asked the question. Yawn. Back to bed.

 

After coming back to this thread and reading what has been going on, i have come to the conclusion that Widow Twankey is the most deluded, uneducated, **** stinking poster on ESB. The mans logic is hilarious.
How anyone get into a debate with him, is ****ing beyond me. Really the moderators need to take a look at his post history and see what he actually offers to ESB other than, trolling and being argumentative.
His actually worse than Bubby, Bretchko and Bremen. Which is saying something.
You have Klithuggers like Kelics and BRB for example, who can be irritating but are at least willing to take points on board, but these clowns are a joke.
Guys Wlad is quality heavyweight, which is obvious, we all know this. But a lot of us also know he has glaring weaknesses and deficiencies as an heavyweight champion. Just be comfortable with your mans career and the way he fights. You don't have to slag every other boxer to make him look good, or associate him with other fighters to make believers out of us.
He is what he is. A giant heavy with excellent fundamentals, good mobilty and big power.
His weaknesses are a chin made of dried horse ****, a heart the size of a pea and comical fear of being clapped.

 

Lewis took more risks, had an inside game, used his right hand a shitload more and took guys out early.

Similar with the basics sure but beyond that very different.

 

"Lennox Lewis was overall sloppier, took more rounds off, took more unncessary risks, got himself in trouble more....but these fools will twist that into a positive. Neither man was a Mongoose, but Wlad's low risk style is something I can really dig. And Wlad an't no white boy, he's red like the other commie *******s."

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